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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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is it's your host jimmy church on the

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i need your help to get to the year

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how you doing today's wednesday july 6

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i would like to welcome everybody

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in youtube just before the show like i

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do every night you know i'm just

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ipd how you doing ipd all right

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let's get straight to it uh

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all day long let's get to the breaking

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the georgia guidestones monument in

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was the target of a bombing earlier

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otherwise known as the gbi is currently

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seeking information as to why the

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and who was responsible there's security

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there was a car at the scene

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they're going to find out who did this

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very very quickly the impact of the

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caused one of the 19-foot slabs of

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shatter completely i posted pictures

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of this in social media you can go and

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that the explosion left the remaining

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inscribed with the same 10 precepts for

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humanity carved in eight

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i'm gonna have scott walter on the show

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next week this was already a planned

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uh show that uh

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uh next week so i will keep everybody

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the helicopter is assigned to the

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of southern california the incident

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i'm not making that up

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and blames it on a rigging failure

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their words not mine so somewhere off

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the coast right here in southern

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we've got 10 missiles and crates

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that russian military losses in ukraine

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you think putin's regretting this

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there you go

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well the last supper you know the

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painting right well there's a version of

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it hanging in the royal gallery and it's

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the latest painting to be targeted

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by climate protesters

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i was gonna post pictures of this today

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okay i'm gonna leave that right there

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four

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just stop oil activists glued their

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hands

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to the wooden frame of the renaissance

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artwork painted by a student of leonardo

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da vinci a copy of his masterpiece from

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about 1520 and is hanging in the royal

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academy

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they also uh dubbed a slogan and spray

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paint underneath the frame in the

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piccadilly gallery yesterday

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another pair from the same group glued

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themselves to a painting in the national

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in trafalgar square

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all right i'm just going to leave that

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go i'm going to leave that right there

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all right more ai in the news this week

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with minimal external inputs

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open ai's gpt 3

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text generating algorithm

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has authored an academic paper

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about itself

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resulting in a study that is being peer

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reviewed

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when swedish researcher almira

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thundstrom commanded the text generator

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to write an academic thesis in 500 words

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about gpt-3

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she said that she stood in awe as the ai

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algorithm wrote a paper

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within two hours

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complete with appropriate citations and

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context in place

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absolutely incredible the paper itself

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is waiting to see here's the thing

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it's gonna get published

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but to be published you need to have the

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names of the authors right

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and

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this is the first time

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that peer review

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has to accept

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ai as an author

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and not a phd right not somebody with

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with those three letters next to their

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names

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and they're wondering what to do and

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they're saying hey

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you know don't you got to be like

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have blood

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to be sentient

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and here we go

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right

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i've read some of the copy i read some

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of the

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uh just like what happened with google a

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couple of weeks ago i read some of the

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conversation between the ai and

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thundstrom discussing writing the paper

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and it's crazy man

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i mean it's

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took him two hours

317
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fresh

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on the heels of monday's show aliens and

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exoplanets i've got this gift

320
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astrophysicists

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have discovered the fastest known star

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which is racing around the black hole at

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the center of our milky way the star

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designated s 4716

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completes an orbit around the

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supermassive black hole sagittarius a

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in just around four years

328
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that means that the star

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is traveling

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at speeds of around

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18 million miles per hour or nearly 5

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000 miles per second

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during this rapid orbit of sagittarius a

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which has an estimated diameter of 14.6

335
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million miles

336
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to the edge of the supermassive black

337
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hole

338
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now

339
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it took

340
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five telescopes

341
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five

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collected data on s4716

343
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that's right they use hawaii's base keck

344
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observatory instruments and ir2 and

345
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cirrus

346
00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:53,600
and the very large telescope instruments

347
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:54,880
sinfoni

348
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naco and gravity

349
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:59,720
that's right

350
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earth-based observatories getting it

351
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done

352
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:06,480
well here we go the next two asteroids

353
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cruising by earth

354
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really close

355
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:11,679
our

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00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:16,240
asteroid 2022 ne which means it was just

357
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:20,400
discovered this year it's 21 feet across

358
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and it's gonna fly by at 84

359
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:28,400
500 miles 84 500 miles that's one third

360
00:19:33,430 --> 00:19:31,039
of the distance to the moon when's it

361
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:33,440
gonna happen it's gonna happen tonight

362
00:19:43,110 --> 00:19:35,919
after the show july 6th

363
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2022 and then there is asteroid 22 nf

364
00:19:47,510 --> 00:19:45,840
right discovered right after

365
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n e

366
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it's 22 feet wide

367
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and it's gonna come even closer at 55

368
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300 miles that's one-fifth the distance

369
00:20:01,990 --> 00:19:59,840
to the moon that's close and when is

370
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:02,000
that going to happen

371
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:03,600
tomorrow night

372
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july

373
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7th

374
00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:09,039
2022 and i'm gonna tell you

375
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,320
now

376
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:12,559
not very big the size of a bus right

377
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:15,919
okay 22 feet size of a bus

378
00:20:19,190 --> 00:20:18,159
but that's really close

379
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,200
i mean

380
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:21,280
that is close

381
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,000
just happy that it's not that big

382
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,520
i've got another one the size of an

383
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,120
airplane that's going to be cruising by

384
00:20:31,350 --> 00:20:28,799
here soon too as well but that's 3

385
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:31,360
million miles out not that big of a deal

386
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,640
but 55 000 miles

387
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,720
don't look up that's all i'm saying

388
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,120
let's get to show cracking on this day

389
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:41,360
in history

390
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:44,000
1957.

391
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:45,520
that's right

392
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,320
john lennon meets paul mccartney for the

393
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first time

394
00:20:55,430 --> 00:20:52,240
when fifteen-year-old paul pulls out the

395
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:55,440
guitar that he had strapped to his back

396
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:58,480
and began playing eddie cochran's 20

397
00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,280
flight rock and then gene vinson's

398
00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:03,200
bibapalula

399
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,600
and then it happened two weeks later

400
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,480
john calls paul and says hey

401
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,559
you want to join my band

402
00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:12,559
and paul did

403
00:21:16,669 --> 00:21:14,240
the quarrymen

404
00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,679
on this day in

405
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:19,440
1957 fader fact

406
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:21,120
all right

407
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:22,559
here we go

408
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,000
here's your fader fact you ready now um

409
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,080
just like every fader fact when i get to

410
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,240
this point of the show every night i

411
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:32,720
feel like i've got to give this

412
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,159
disclaimer

413
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,320
which is i know you don't believe it so

414
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:37,760
go look it up

415
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,880
i did

416
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,960
i vetted it but

417
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:42,559
go look it up

418
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,430
it is illegal

419
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:52,240
to wash your dishes

420
00:22:00,630 --> 00:21:58,950
that's right

421
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,640
now

422
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,559
and why is that a big deal well it is a

423
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:04,400
big deal

424
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,240
you're out there with your family

425
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,600
you're camping

426
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,240
on the edge of a beautiful lake and you

427
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,480
wake up and you have breakfast bacon and

428
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:15,120
eggs and things and

429
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,240
and then

430
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,559
what

431
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,240
you would normally just walk down to the

432
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,480
lake and throw right right that's what

433
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:25,039
you can't do it

434
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:34,870
oh man i love this show i love my job i

435
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:37,280
do tonight very special guest when i say

436
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:38,400
cool

437
00:22:48,070 --> 00:22:44,960
what i do i surround myself with

438
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,080
coolness but on the cool scale

439
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,120
the coolest at the tippy top

440
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,600
is cheryl costa and she is our guest

441
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,880
tonight we're going to be talking about

442
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,559
the mythical

443
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,760
daily

444
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,159
ufo hot spot

445
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,840
where is it

446
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,760
we're going to talk about that tonight

447
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,440
and including

448
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,840
what's going on in my neighborhood

449
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,880
that's right we're going to be doing

450
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,159
that tonight i got some charts and

451
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:12,240
graphs and we'll see if we can get

452
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:14,559
some of that stuff up too in real time

453
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,480
as we go through this data but it's

454
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,200
pretty incredible cheryl costa joins us

455
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,960
at the bottom of the hour and then

456
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:23,520
tomorrow night is another fader night

457
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,760
with open lines all night long all right

458
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,520
ken priest

459
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:31,600
every time i look down

460
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,919
every time

461
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:36,159
i go to the refrigerator

462
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:37,600
ken priest

463
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,000
is in the refrigerator every time

464
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,480
dipping in to my stuff and it's just

465
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,799
like man can

466
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:48,960
every time

467
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:56,470
i'm so upset about the georgia

468
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,559
guidestones and

469
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,679
i never got a chance

470
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:02,840
to go and see

471
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,200
them and you know it's just one of those

472
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:07,279
things where you just

473
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,520
one day right the bucket list and it's

474
00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:11,520
right there georgia guidestones you know

475
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,159
and you're busy in life you know trying

476
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:16,080
to get to these check boxes and get

477
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:17,440
things done

478
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,720
and

479
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,880
you know you just assume they're all uh

480
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:23,600
they're always gonna be there

481
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,000
now they're gone

482
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,120
really bummed out about this and

483
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,080
and angry is is is another word that i

484
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,320
want to use and i was

485
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:36,400
uh you know i was talking to friends all

486
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:39,600
day today about this including cheryl

487
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,480
and

488
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,200
i'm doing my best

489
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:45,760
to not be

490
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:48,159
the cranky old man

491
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,200
right

492
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,400
i'm doing my best and and and i fight it

493
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,840
i just don't want to be that guy i want

494
00:24:58,830 --> 00:24:55,520
to have fun on this show

495
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:58,840
i want to have a a life full of

496
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,279
positivity and and that's that's what i

497
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,960
want i don't want to be the cranky dude

498
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:05,120
yelling into a microphone

499
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:06,000
but

500
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:09,919
man man man i'm i'm on the edge

501
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,120
i'm really on the edge

502
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,559
i'm on the edge

503
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,080
the georgia guide zones that's just

504
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:19,679
wrong answers wrong so

505
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,990
what if time

506
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,200
oh

507
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:29,279
rivermoonwellness.com

508
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,190
today was a pour over

509
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,710
what if time

510
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:45,110
is just

511
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:55,520
there is no past

512
00:26:01,909 --> 00:25:58,720
there's no future you know

513
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,919
that that time

514
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:06,870
like right now

515
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,039
my smart house right so i'm just like

516
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:12,799
it's kind of hot in here i'm gonna turn

517
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,159
on the air conditioning i can do that

518
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:21,750
but what if it's just a thing

519
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,360
you know what it what if there is no

520
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,840
past and no future what if it's just a

521
00:26:29,029 --> 00:26:27,919
thing and and so many have talked about

522
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,039
that

523
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,400
and how uh you know different alien

524
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:35,279
races and etcs out there

525
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:37,919
uh to them time isn't you know

526
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,240
time is just all time is everything

527
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:42,320
and and we have a weird way of looking

528
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:43,520
at that

529
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,240
and and and we have a hard time and one

530
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,320
of the reasons why we do i've got a

531
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,679
clock

532
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:51,679
right in front of me big red letters

533
00:26:56,310 --> 00:26:54,400
atomic clock and it's staring at me

534
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,320
and it's clicking forward it doesn't

535
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,400
click backwards right i got a box full

536
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,960
of watches right there on display

537
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:03,360
and and and i love watches and i love

538
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:05,760
time and i love clocks and i love that

539
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,000
idea behind it but it's always going

540
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:10,559
forward it's never going backwards and

541
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:13,120
is that why we look at it that way if we

542
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,720
didn't have clocks

543
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,240
right

544
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:20,710
what

545
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,830
stay with me

546
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,110
what if our dreams

547
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:36,549
are just an exposure of all

548
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,679
right

549
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,039
you know

550
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,760
you've had dreams

551
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,159
about the future

552
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:47,120
dreams about the past

553
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,480
and then you suddenly get exposed and

554
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:52,960
then the dream comes true how is that

555
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,399
possible right deja vu deja vu is a

556
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,320
classic example of what i'm talking

557
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,679
about

558
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:02,880
in that

559
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,240
maybe

560
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,440
it's because time is just everything

561
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,600
time is just everything you know how

562
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,000
could somebody have read my book

563
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:14,640
and know about the future how is that

564
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,880
possible and then this deja vu is

565
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:18,720
happening right now

566
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,039
and i don't want to hear from some

567
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,440
scientific mind going you know deja vu

568
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,840
you know a dream that comes true

569
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:28,080
it's just because you have you have

570
00:28:32,549 --> 00:28:31,520
memories and you have experiences that

571
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,559
you've

572
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,880
gone through in the past and then and

573
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,080
then you apply that to a deja vu and

574
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,080
whatever's happening now you think that

575
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:41,760
it's it's happening that you thought

576
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,039
about it in the past and that it's

577
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,279
coming true but no it's just life's

578
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,120
experience you know what save all of

579
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:52,310
i didn't have a life experience

580
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:55,840
of me walking into an office that i have

581
00:29:02,870 --> 00:28:59,679
never been in before and walking up to a

582
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,880
cubicle and hearing three people talk

583
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,360
that i've never met before and i know

584
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every word they're they're about to say

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i know the conversation i know what i'm

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about to say and i can't stop it

587
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that's not a series of memories and life

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experiences that is a deja vu that is

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something

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that i have ex

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knew saw

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had the vision

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and now i'm experiencing it now with

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people that i've never met before

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is that

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the allness of time

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is that what dreams are

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an experience of the all

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what if

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it's crazy isn't it

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and i had a deja vu

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today

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a deja vu that i couldn't stop

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and let me tell you something

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i was sitting here typing

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and i stopped myself and went oh what i

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thought this was original

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and i caught myself

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typing and i knew

610
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and the whole thing just came back to me

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and

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like five years ago

613
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you know somewhere in there i went into

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the mindset of when i had these thoughts

615
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and and this whole thing and and it

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happened today

617
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and i thought to myself how is that

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possible

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i'm yours jimmy church this is fade to

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tonight

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the essence of cool is here cheryl costa

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we are going to be talking about tonight

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the mythical daily ufo hot spot is it in

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your neighborhood

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think about it right you've been chasing

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it i've been chasing it is it in my

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neighborhood

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we're gonna go through all of that

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tonight and a lot more the conversation

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is gonna go where it is going to go i am

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your host jimmy church this is fade to

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cheryl costa stay right there

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your father's radio show on the game

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changer radio network

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

746
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you're listening to jimmy

747
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:10,330
church radio

748
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,150
all right welcome back fade to black i

749
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,880
am your host jimmy church

750
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:33,040
tonight on this very program cheryl

751
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,720
costa joins us we're going to be talking

752
00:37:38,710 --> 00:37:37,359
about the mythical daily ufo hotspot and

753
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:38,720
much more

754
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:41,040
she recently published the ufo beat the

755
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new york skies column july 2013 to june

756
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,160
2019

757
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:48,960
and the ufo sightings desk reference

758
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:52,400
united states of america 2001 to 2015

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00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,920
which includes over 121

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00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,599
000 sightings

761
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,680
she lists the top ufo hot spots

762
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,119
according to the data and the citing

763
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,920
reports down to the county level anyone

764
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,599
can use the book to find out how many

765
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,760
sightings there have been in their area

766
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:09,599
and how it stacks up against other parts

767
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,720
of the united states she is a a native

768
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,520
and resident of upstate new york who saw

769
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,400
her first ufo at the age of 12. a

770
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,560
military veteran she's a retired

771
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,640
information security professional which

772
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,480
means she's the man

773
00:38:28,069 --> 00:38:26,640
she's men in black

774
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:28,079
that's right think about that for a

775
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second

776
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,560
she was a professional also in the

777
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,720
aerospace industry we'll talk about that

778
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:34,960
tonight too she's been a speaker at the

779
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,280
international ufo congress and the mufon

780
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,040
symposium from 2013 through 2019

781
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:44,079
she wrote the ufo column new york skies

782
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,599
for the syracuse news times and uh holds

783
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,359
a bachelor's of arts degree from the

784
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:51,520
state university of new york at empire

785
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,720
state college in entertainment writing

786
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,880
all of that and much more tonight i

787
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:58,320
welcome back

788
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:01,920
cheryl costa is with us and um cheryl

789
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,920
well welcome welcome back to the show

790
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,760
welcome thank you thank you

791
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:06,960
and uh

792
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,240
i i kind of want to can can i ask you

793
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,599
the question you've never been asked

794
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,960
before first

795
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,280
short of my atm pin sure go ahead yeah

796
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,960
right right right

797
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,320
um

798
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:20,320
okay i'm gonna leave that

799
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:22,800
see the thing is if anybody knows

800
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:25,599
anything you know like personal about me

801
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:26,560
about

802
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:31,440
they've got my pen they've got

803
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,750
they'll take it all very well that was

804
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,720
easy

805
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,560
oh holy crap

806
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:41,440
so uh anyway um

807
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:42,960
so i'm going to leave that right there

808
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,270
have you always been cool

809
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:53,040
and and and and before you answer

810
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,470
oh boy

811
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,520
[Music]

812
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,200
um

813
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,280
i have thought for a long time i always

814
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,440
thought that i was uncool in school i

815
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,760
was the one of the av geeks at our high

816
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,800
school

817
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,359
sure okay and pushing overhead

818
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,960
projectors and

819
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:16,880
whatever to different classrooms and

820
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:19,839
things and uh i was one of the backstage

821
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,960
people for our our theater stuff in high

822
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,440
school so i used to think i was not part

823
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:26,960
of the in crowd

824
00:40:31,589 --> 00:40:29,440
okay and for the most part i never got

825
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:31,599
invited to anything

826
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,480
and so you know and then uh see i turned

827
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,200
16 and i suddenly i was the disc jockey

828
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:40,079
on one of the local radio stations

829
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,119
okay

830
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,280
and uh again

831
00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,680
people acknowledged it but it didn't

832
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,680
open up doors for what they called the

833
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:49,280
in-crowd

834
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,400
and i didn't realize how much i was in

835
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,960
until i went to like my 50th class

836
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:57,200
reunion last year

837
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:58,319
right

838
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,319
and then people tell me oh yeah you were

839
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,240
so cool it's cool you did this she did

840
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,200
that and going really you know

841
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:07,119
so yeah

842
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:08,319
that uh

843
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:10,880
i i can't think of anything cooler

844
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,800
than av club

845
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,880
you know what i did okay so check this

846
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:17,599
out okay i'm gonna come clean

847
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,200
you know i was in the backgammon club

848
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,280
and i was badass

849
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,800
but

850
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,720
that that's it i was in the back you

851
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,480
know i didn't play football

852
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,720
you know i didn't do any of that you

853
00:41:37,109 --> 00:41:35,040
know you know the in-crowd stuff

854
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,119
i was in backgammon club and i loved

855
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:39,599
every single minute of it

856
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:42,800
and uh so that's it man that's it

857
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:45,280
that's it i'm just coming clean i would

858
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,760
have loved to have been in an av club

859
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:48,880
and

860
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:56,960
little bit i did a couple of of things

861
00:42:02,630 --> 00:41:59,839
um i was just too into guitars you know

862
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,640
and smoking weed and and i

863
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:05,040
i i just didn't

864
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,319
it was the 70s you know and and uh i

865
00:42:12,550 --> 00:42:10,319
didn't i didn't follow some of the

866
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,560
things that that i should have i should

867
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,319
have gotten into radio in high school

868
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:16,319
and i didn't i did all of that much

869
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:17,280
later

870
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:20,160
um but uh yeah av club to me is the

871
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,200
essence of cool theater is cool

872
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,640
yeah yeah

873
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:25,359
so

874
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:27,760
you know what was the funny thing was i

875
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,560
i'd been in community theater from high

876
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,800
school and community theater since i was

877
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,560
15.

878
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:36,880
okay and what a lot of people don't know

879
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,720
about especially in the ufo community

880
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:41,119
things like this i've got 25 published

881
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,720
plays

882
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:44,880
that some of them have been done uh

883
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,440
internationally okay i'm known better in

884
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,839
europe than i am here in the states

885
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,680
uh everything here in the states if you

886
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:53,599
write something for performances it's

887
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,319
got to be the mega success movie or play

888
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,800
on broadway or something and

889
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,200
it that isn't necessarily the thing if

890
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:03,440
you've got these cool one-act plays that

891
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:04,160
are

892
00:43:07,589 --> 00:43:05,119
um

893
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:07,599
there's your coolness uh i wrote all

894
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,920
these plays they had a twilight zone

895
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:12,560
quality to them with a fantastic twist

896
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,760
at the end

897
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,599
and um

898
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,520
several of them been produced on like

899
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,000
four continents you know

900
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:22,640
i i sometimes am flabbergasted to look

901
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,400
at the resume i really am uh but uh

902
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,720
the ufo stuff was another breakout area

903
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,640
i thought well this is gonna make sure

904
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,800
i'm i'm as ostracized as you're gonna

905
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,640
get but uh

906
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,640
that hasn't that hasn't happened you

907
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,839
know

908
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,359
and uh

909
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,119
i was talking about this earlier this

910
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,839
week uh with steve morello and and steve

911
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,440
is just fantastic

912
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:47,599
but um but

913
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:48,720
him

914
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,599
i think a lot of us uh and myself and

915
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,640
others

916
00:43:57,030 --> 00:43:55,520
uh we go through a period that

917
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,040
um of

918
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,440
of not talking about the ufo subject

919
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:00,880
with our friends and families you know

920
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:03,599
this is private research that we do

921
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,119
um we have our collection of ufo videos

922
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,440
and books and magazines and stuff but

923
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,599
you don't have that necessarily on the

924
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,440
coffee table when you have company come

925
00:44:19,270 --> 00:44:16,400
over you put that stuff away it's not

926
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:19,280
like that now right it's it's it's we're

927
00:44:23,589 --> 00:44:21,440
in a different day and it's great but

928
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,599
did you go through that too as well uh

929
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,880
did you keep your ufo stuff uh pushed to

930
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,560
the side and and

931
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:29,920
and private

932
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,400
yeah i did um

933
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,319
my first sighting when i was 12 with my

934
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,760
mother and father

935
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,359
and then uh

936
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:39,839
that kind of bonded me with my mom you

937
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,839
know when she said that thing might have

938
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,319
people from another world in it wow okay

939
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,200
you know so i started getting books at

940
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,200
the library she'd get books at the

941
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:51,440
library or the bookstore or magazines

942
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,200
whatever and everything that came into

943
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:55,200
the house we both read and shared when

944
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,839
von danigan's book trait of the gods

945
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,720
came into our household she dog-eared on

946
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:02,720
the top i dog-eared on the bottom

947
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:05,920
destroyed the book it literally did

948
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,200
i but when i went into the service and

949
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:12,160
this is important 1969 year before i got

950
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,839
out of high school

951
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:15,599
we got this little mimeograph letter

952
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,319
from some group up in illinois called

953
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:21,680
the mutual ufo network they were a new

954
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,119
group that was forming okay um nowadays

955
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:27,200
i know that they came out of an apro

956
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:29,440
group back in the day but the deal was

957
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:32,160
uh they were asking for people to join

958
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,119
okay and be on their little newsletter

959
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,440
and this was long before internet

960
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:39,520
internet stuff you got that stuff in the

961
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,400
mail

962
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:41,440
um

963
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,119
i got in the service and one of the

964
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,119
first things they told us especially

965
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:47,119
those of us who were being considered

966
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,160
for high security work

967
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:52,160
was you can't be member and they gave us

968
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,079
this list of like a

969
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:56,960
200 groups you couldn't be a member of

970
00:46:02,790 --> 00:45:58,839
and that was one of

971
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,800
them so is that is that right yeah yeah

972
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:03,920
those

973
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,000
and and and they did do that they wanted

974
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,599
your group associations and and you know

975
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,160
uh the safe stuff was like bridge club

976
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,480
right whatever right well they wanted to

977
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,560
make sure as i remember this guy this

978
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:20,560
guy gave us the briefings we don't want

979
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,000
any remember this is 1970 okay

980
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,160
only about what seven years since

981
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,680
kennedy was shot you know that kind of

982
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,079
thing and he's we don't want any

983
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,079
harvey os walls in our air force you

984
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:34,240
know that kind of attitude you know

985
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,839
and um

986
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:37,760
so we went through this list you know

987
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,200
and it went both ways it it went to far

988
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,640
right groups you didn't want to be a

989
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,560
member of and far left groups and

990
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:46,880
goodness don't be economy you know

991
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,599
and uh so it went all over the place and

992
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,359
then there were a lot of other things

993
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:53,359
and the ufo stuff was one of those

994
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,760
things that was scrutinized

995
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,240
now did you come clean

996
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:00,720
did oh wait wait i don't know i was just

997
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:03,760
well read i was just well read but but

998
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:06,160
the question is i had a clearance all

999
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:12,470
from the time i went into service in in

1000
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,000
70 to 2012 because i went right now from

1001
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,920
two branches of the service air force

1002
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,079
for two years served in vietnam then

1003
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,040
later in the cold war or navy remember i

1004
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,359
was boy cheryl in those days and i

1005
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,280
served in number submarines and did that

1006
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:29,839
tom clancy stuff and

1007
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,480
uh other than my atm and my security

1008
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:34,000
oath i can tell you almost anything

1009
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,160
about my life

1010
00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:37,599
okay so

1011
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:40,280
did you join mufon did you sign up in

1012
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,000
1969 when you're no no no my mother

1013
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,680
might have but i didn't

1014
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,480
oh so you didn't have to lie

1015
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,200
no look everything came across my desk

1016
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:53,280
magazine in the dentist's office

1017
00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:55,440
augustine magazine in the in the in the

1018
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,440
um barber shop you know that kind of

1019
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,920
thing had these stories about ufos so i

1020
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,400
was always pretty well read

1021
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,280
okay

1022
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,960
um and i pretty much just kept it to

1023
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:06,640
myself every now and then you get into a

1024
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:08,319
conversation when people run a campfire

1025
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,680
or something like that and sometimes the

1026
00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:12,480
topic came up you know um but the bottom

1027
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:13,200
line

1028
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:14,319
i

1029
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:28,000
the newspaper column

1030
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,200
about ufos

1031
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:32,960
the

1032
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,160
supermarket in my neighborhood

1033
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,800
checkout lady who's who's pretty cool i

1034
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:42,400
talk to her all the time

1035
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,800
but um and this i i she said oh you're

1036
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:48,880
you're cooking out

1037
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,079
and i had a sky watch that i was having

1038
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,240
at my house i had whitley strieber here

1039
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,960
and a bunch of friends and and

1040
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,839
things

1041
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,920
and i said yeah i'm doing a sky watch

1042
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,000
tonight she goes what are you looking at

1043
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,680
i go uh

1044
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,200
do you know what i do

1045
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:07,280
and she goes no and i said okay well

1046
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:08,720
let's leave that there

1047
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,839
um

1048
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,240
i'm going to be looking at ufos

1049
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,800
she goes oh oh

1050
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,680
it's palmdale that was her answer

1051
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,920
and uh

1052
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:22,160
and and here i am

1053
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:23,920
you would think now that that

1054
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,800
conversation that we had briefly you

1055
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,640
know for a minute that wouldn't have

1056
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,200
happened 10 years ago no

1057
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:33,920
no not at all but you should have heard

1058
00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:36,160
she was so blase

1059
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,180
that's palmdale

1060
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:38,800
[Laughter]

1061
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,200
i'll give you one the this apartment

1062
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,440
that i live in in cleveland ohio now i

1063
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:45,920
moved here in december okay

1064
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:48,319
and uh

1065
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,079
i was hesitant to say anything about

1066
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,480
what we write up here okay we've got a

1067
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,079
whole section that would normally be a

1068
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
living room up here we've got two major

1069
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,000
project tables we've got a major

1070
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,079
publishing operation here in what would

1071
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,960
normally be the living room okay this is

1072
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,520
what would normally be the living room

1073
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,559
and

1074
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,960
uh we were both of us were hesitant to

1075
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,800
say that we published you upload books

1076
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,040
but then here comes the leasing manager

1077
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:14,880
one day oh there's cheryl and linda

1078
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,800
they're they're authors and publishers

1079
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:18,559
and people say oh what do you publish

1080
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,440
and

1081
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,839
usually the safe answer for me is uh

1082
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:24,240
short stories and mysteries which i am

1083
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,240
publishing shoots short stories and

1084
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,559
mysteries okay my short stories are a

1085
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,480
little weird or kind of twilight zone

1086
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:32,640
amazing story uh stories kind of stuff

1087
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,440
but

1088
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,960
um

1089
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,839
and

1090
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,440
lady went home of course people have the

1091
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,599
web these days lady pulled out her phone

1092
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:41,839
look this up oh you have two books about

1093
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,640
ufos

1094
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:47,119
what do you do i mean and you don't have

1095
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:48,400
to

1096
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,440
um

1097
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,200
what's the word i don't want to use the

1098
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,280
word embarrassed but you don't have to

1099
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:54,960
dance

1100
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:56,400
you're right today you don't have to

1101
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:58,079
dance you can go yeah that's right yeah

1102
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,880
ufos yeah yeah yeah i say that and they

1103
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,480
say well

1104
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,640
what do you do about him i said uh i

1105
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,559
look at linda and she looks at me and we

1106
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:08,880
say well we're the two national ufo

1107
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,119
statistics experts for the country you

1108
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:15,750
when you were um uh with the sierra

1109
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:19,280
accused times uh did you see

1110
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,480
your your numbers go up especially

1111
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,119
you know in the last four or five years

1112
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:27,760
oh wait a minute let's go there um i

1113
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,240
went out and pitched this was in

1114
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,839
late 2012 early 2013 i went out and

1115
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:36,400
pitched editors several newspapers the

1116
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,680
idea of a weekly column probably

1117
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:42,400
targeted for their online edition since

1118
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:43,359
um

1119
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:48,720
space in the paper printed paper okay

1120
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:51,359
and um i got laughed out of the office

1121
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,880
chased out of the office taken to the

1122
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,800
door by security out of the office kind

1123
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:56,559
of thing from all these people i talked

1124
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:58,640
to different newspapers

1125
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,160
and that so i broke down and and called

1126
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,880
up this guy that had been a senior copy

1127
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,119
editor at the newspaper i did work for

1128
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,559
as technician

1129
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,760
okay

1130
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:11,200
and uh

1131
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,920
i was finishing a writing degree at that

1132
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:16,400
time a long overdue bachelor's degree as

1133
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,599
they say

1134
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,160
and uh i was finishing it up and so i

1135
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,240
went over to him and he said hey i hear

1136
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:23,839
you've been out there pitching and i

1137
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,720
said yeah is there any bites i said no

1138
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,720
and he says okay let's talk about this

1139
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:31,280
topic and we're about the same age and

1140
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:32,720
he read

1141
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,160
apparently over this 20-minute

1142
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,000
conversation we determined that we had

1143
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:39,200
both read the same people who had books

1144
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,599
back in the 60s and early 70s you know

1145
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:45,520
and and we went from there and we said

1146
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:47,920
okay he says well i can't write a column

1147
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,760
like this but you can

1148
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,680
he said i'm the editor-in-chief i can't

1149
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,920
but he says you we can we can try you

1150
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,240
out for four weeks and see what happens

1151
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,880
and it's okay and about a month later he

1152
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,960
calls me up he has that

1153
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:02,960
dread pirate roberts from the princess

1154
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:04,640
bride don't get over here we need to

1155
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:06,240
talk you know i'll most likely kill you

1156
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,079
in the morning you know

1157
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:10,319
and i figured well i had four weeks to

1158
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,880
try this out and i get over there i'm at

1159
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:14,960
10 minutes late to the meeting it's a

1160
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,760
conference meeting and i i the parking

1161
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,839
lot's all torn up i'm 10 minutes late to

1162
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:21,359
the meeting i walk in he's saying

1163
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,599
they're talking to the other columnists

1164
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,079
all around this board table and he stops

1165
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:28,079
he looks over at me points at me and

1166
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:29,200
larry says

1167
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:34,069
and i said what are you talking about

1168
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,680
because you've been here four weeks and

1169
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,200
you're pulling more page views on the

1170
00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:38,880
web edition than all the columnists

1171
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,640
combined

1172
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,720
now does that give you

1173
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,960
um i'm very curious

1174
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:47,200
uh that well first off you have a sense

1175
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,480
of relief but does it also give you

1176
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,079
the the

1177
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,559
the opening of the brain where you know

1178
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,800
that you don't have to censor yourself

1179
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:59,599
and you can just let this go no no no no

1180
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:01,359
no no

1181
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,520
about this again since he was as well

1182
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:07,520
read as i was

1183
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,839
we had an

1184
00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:10,480
understanding

1185
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:14,480
um

1186
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:16,160
i'm going to go right down with there's

1187
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,839
a woo side and there's a really

1188
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,599
conservative side and there's got to be

1189
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:21,680
a bounce in the middle someplace and

1190
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:25,119
let's go down the middle was my pitch to

1191
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,920
him

1192
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,680
the other thing was i wanted to treat

1193
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,920
the topic matter with none of this

1194
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:33,119
sensational ufo sightings no i we

1195
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,480
treated it like the fire across town the

1196
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,880
car wrecked down the street the burglary

1197
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:41,040
two blocks over we tweeted it with

1198
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,960
respect and made it just just another

1199
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,319
news story

1200
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,559
okay but it was a column

1201
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,480
and uh people say one must've been fun

1202
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,880
there friday column i said it's a 500 to

1203
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,799
a thousand word term paper due every

1204
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,240
thursday

1205
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,559
okay and a lot of people remember that

1206
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,040
from high school you know yeah yeah but

1207
00:55:01,750 --> 00:55:00,079
here's what happened here's what

1208
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,760
happened six months later the digital

1209
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:03,920
editor called calls me in he's my he's

1210
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,760
my contact i was always technically a

1211
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,920
freelance okay

1212
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,520
which was great is when the paper went

1213
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,440
out of business the publisher allowed me

1214
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,640
to come over and purge all my articles

1215
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:16,240
out of the server

1216
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,559
since i owned them and this was the last

1217
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:21,119
version of them and i got home and i got

1218
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:25,599
to publish a book with all 238 articles

1219
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,640
okay

1220
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,200
and it's called the ufo b if you go on

1221
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:32,000
amazon cheryl costa search book cheryl

1222
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,520
costa amazon ufo beat you'll get it okay

1223
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,280
it's got all my all my narrative

1224
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:38,880
articles and they had less of the

1225
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:41,520
statistics until we started getting into

1226
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,319
the statistics and around 2015

1227
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:46,400
i had to have something to write about

1228
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:48,079
you know so we started doing new york

1229
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:49,920
state and what came out of the whole

1230
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,480
thing uh was that people were looking at

1231
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,640
us and saying wow we didn't know these

1232
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:56,640
were like retired mufon investigators

1233
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,920
and things are going we didn't know

1234
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:59,440
there was a cluster there we didn't know

1235
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:00,880
there was a cluster there either you

1236
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
know so but what happened with six

1237
00:56:06,789 --> 00:56:05,599
months in digital editor calls me it

1238
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:06,799
says cheryl

1239
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,599
you're pulling a national audience

1240
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,520
on a little weekly paper in upstate new

1241
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,799
york

1242
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,599
christmas party comes around

1243
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:17,920
the publisher and the digital editor get

1244
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,240
up there and say cheryl is pulling an

1245
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,349
so um with as the paper

1246
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:29,440
kept having little buy outs and layoffs

1247
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:32,000
over the next few years i was taken

1248
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,319
aside and said you are safe just keep

1249
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,720
doing what you're doing

1250
00:56:41,990 --> 00:56:39,119
now um the

1251
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:42,000
i i like that you know trying to stay

1252
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,440
away from the woo

1253
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,440
because i love the woo

1254
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,400
but you also have to deal with everybody

1255
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,839
else out there

1256
00:56:59,430 --> 00:56:50,640
and

1257
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,440
fell into this naturally uh cheryl

1258
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,040
[Music]

1259
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,000
in that i found that there is enough

1260
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:06,000
scientific data

1261
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:08,880
there is enough numbers thing where you

1262
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,000
can remain pragmatic uh pragmatic but

1263
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:14,799
still treat the subject

1264
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,359
you know and and give it what it needs

1265
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,400
um and you can do that without the woo

1266
00:57:25,030 --> 00:57:23,040
and and i find that that

1267
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:25,040
how do i how do i say this you have a

1268
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,799
bigger audience that way

1269
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:29,599
right and yes yes great you have a

1270
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,200
bigger audience and the other part is

1271
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,119
and and you do this

1272
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,440
you've got you've got books of charts

1273
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:39,359
right you've got the black you've got

1274
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,640
the data

1275
00:57:44,710 --> 00:57:42,240
our community

1276
00:57:47,670 --> 00:57:44,720
especially the wu part

1277
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,680
they need the support of the data to

1278
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,400
back up their bs

1279
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:51,920
right

1280
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,799
yes and no uh there are some people the

1281
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,880
rule people yes there are some people

1282
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,520
who uh at least initially criticize me

1283
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,280
and linda because they're not field

1284
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:03,440
investigators right

1285
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:06,079
there's other ways to do research and

1286
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,880
all we ever set out to do was one paint

1287
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,799
uh promote a good picture that's me the

1288
00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:13,119
pr person and writer and the other

1289
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,960
aspect when we started doing this

1290
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:17,760
statistical analysis was

1291
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,599
let's our goal was let's set out to

1292
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:24,640
measure the phenomena

1293
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,000
we can't tell you where they're from we

1294
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,079
can't tell you how they're getting here

1295
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:30,160
what the physics is in their engine room

1296
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,480
we can't tell you any of that we can't

1297
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:34,640
tell you what they eat but we can tell

1298
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:36,720
you how many of them have been around

1299
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,440
based on the reports of people and

1300
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,520
that's what we set out to do and when

1301
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,000
you look at the numbers uh it's pretty

1302
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:45,920
well these are our last book that came

1303
00:58:52,030 --> 00:58:50,440
out in last year uh 2001 to 2020

1304
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:52,040
167

1305
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,599
6332 reported ufos and i tell people

1306
00:59:02,710 --> 00:58:57,839
those are eyewitness accounts whenever i

1307
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,720
pitch somebody these are 160 167 632

1308
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:04,400
eyewitness accounts

1309
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,520
and they say well

1310
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:07,760
but maybe they're not all they're not

1311
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,559
all

1312
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,640
reported i said yes we've determined

1313
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:13,200
that one in 250 people reports what they

1314
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
see

1315
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,000
but that would mean there's a like

1316
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,559
millions of sightings and said yeah

1317
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:19,920
exactly

1318
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:21,920
and that's what that's when you start

1319
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,160
seeing the smoke going out of the rears

1320
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,240
you know yeah well i have had

1321
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,319
thank goodness i've had lots of friends

1322
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:33,119
around me when this goes down but i

1323
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,480
don't know what the numbers are but i

1324
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:36,960
know that i've had hundreds of sightings

1325
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,040
right hundreds

1326
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,680
i only reported one

1327
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,559
right

1328
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:43,599
one

1329
00:59:48,069 --> 00:59:47,040
and i've got to be just like everybody

1330
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,079
else

1331
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:51,040
i can i think i've reported five

1332
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,559
um and

1333
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:54,799
during the time of my column

1334
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,960
i probably

1335
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:57,920
saw

1336
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,040
ah gosh i would say probably upwards of

1337
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:02,880
a hundred just during the the seven

1338
01:00:05,589 --> 01:00:04,799
years of my column

1339
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:05,599
um

1340
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,000
there was okay i'm a live a live action

1341
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,040
role play gamer okay like dress up in my

1342
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,799
armor and get my big rubber swords and

1343
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,880
go chase monsters through the woods okay

1344
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:17,680
in the dark you know and uh

1345
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:19,280
uh one night

1346
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:22,000
uh i had my angle twisted so i couldn't

1347
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,559
really go running around in the woods so

1348
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:26,799
they let me stay back at the barn which

1349
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,839
was the tavern and i laid my head back

1350
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:31,599
against the door casing and i was

1351
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:33,359
sitting there and within about 10

1352
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,480
minutes

1353
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,720
i figured out the stacking pattern

1354
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,599
looking at clear sky

1355
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:41,520
i was able to figure out the tracking of

1356
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,240
the stacking pattern for

1357
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:47,040
scranton pennsylvania's airport

1358
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:48,799
okay and then i could see all the

1359
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:51,440
victory routes up above and then i was

1360
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:54,480
able to very quietly pick out

1361
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,480
the things that weren't part of the

1362
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:58,720
aircraft traffic

1363
01:01:03,510 --> 01:00:59,680
let's take

1364
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:03,520
when we come back after this break our

1365
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,640
guest tonight cheryl costa the mythical

1366
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:09,359
daily ufo hot spot that is the subject

1367
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,760
tonight we're gonna get into all of that

1368
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,680
including my neighborhood right cheryl

1369
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,200
we got we got a little data on my

1370
01:01:18,549 --> 01:01:17,040
neighborhood we'll do all of that and

1371
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,559
much more when we come back after the

1372
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,799
break i am your host jimmy church

1373
01:01:30,110 --> 01:01:22,960
this is fade to black stay with us we'll

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:45,030
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01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:47,270
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01:01:52,230 --> 01:01:50,720
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01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,240
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01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:54,720
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mythical daily ufo hot spot

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01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,319
it's been collecting data forever and i

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i don't know how

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um i

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let me let me say this

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i love data i love documentaries i love

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01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:57,039
non-fiction books this is my life this

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01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:58,640
is what i like to do i like science

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01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,799
fiction and in fiction i'm not

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01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:03,520
suggesting that i don't ever do that

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01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:07,920
but i love mine numbing numbers

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01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:10,400
and and the data that goes along with it

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01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,039
um i don't know how you do it

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01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:15,440
i i don't i i don't i mean the numbers

1523
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,159
just must start to get smeary after a

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01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:20,560
while but i want to go back to your

1525
01:08:27,269 --> 01:08:24,560
role-playing uh sighting right so

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01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:27,279
um you you saw some objects that didn't

1527
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,880
belong

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01:08:33,910 --> 01:08:31,199
i'm just gonna ask how many of those got

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01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:33,920
reported zero

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01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:35,440
yeah exactly

1531
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,040
exactly it's a numbers game isn't it if

1532
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,839
no no no no it the the forums to fill

1533
01:08:46,809 --> 01:08:44,080
these things out and report them had all

1534
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:46,819
the charm of filling out a credit report

1535
01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:48,480
[Laughter]

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01:08:53,030 --> 01:08:51,279
totally totally and so

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01:08:56,309 --> 01:08:53,040
uh it's a numbers game if you've got a

1538
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:56,319
hundred and sixty thousand sightings uh

1539
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,040
that uh you know that that had witnesses

1540
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:01,920
behind them then there's got to be a

1541
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:03,920
hundred million on the other side of

1542
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,359
that that never get reported oh easy um

1543
01:09:12,229 --> 01:09:10,319
the number goes like this uh first thing

1544
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:12,239
we didn't know how to do this

1545
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,239
until 2017 fox pictured old fox pictures

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01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:18,400
released a movie it was kind of a horror

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01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,640
movie set against the phoenix lights

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01:09:25,189 --> 01:09:23,040
some teenagers get abducted and never

1549
01:09:27,269 --> 01:09:25,199
heard from again that kind of thing all

1550
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,279
right they did a poll about that time

1551
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:30,960
it's july 2017 and it was like the

1552
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:33,279
typical poll you know

1553
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:36,239
35 believe in the stuff 42 percent are

1554
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,120
on the fence and 70 say it's hogwarts

1555
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,080
okay typical poll for this topic

1556
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:44,480
until recently that's changing

1557
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,159
but um

1558
01:09:50,590 --> 01:09:48,080
i played with the numbers and it didn't

1559
01:09:53,310 --> 01:09:50,600
jive because they said

1560
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:53,320
16.74 of adult

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01:10:01,590 --> 01:10:00,560
uh say they've seen a ufo

1562
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:01,600
and

1563
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:05,679
minute that doesn't jive with the

1564
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,679
numbers i've got

1565
01:10:12,470 --> 01:10:10,000
okay somebody's not telling us their

1566
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,480
stuff here so we sat down and figured

1567
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,960
out i we didn't we really i played with

1568
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:16,960
it a little bit didn't see anything i

1569
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,080
wasn't comfortable with this one poll

1570
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,760
and then in september of 2019 the gallup

1571
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,280
people came back with almost an

1572
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:28,320
identical number in that 16 range

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01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,360
okay

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01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:31,360
and i said wow

1575
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:32,320
okay

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01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:36,719
out so we started playing with

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01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,760
we

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01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,360
did it against

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01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,239
16 of the adult population of the united

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01:10:46,870 --> 01:10:44,159
states

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01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:46,880
it didn't quite work

1582
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,159
the adult population was uh

1583
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:53,840
one big very big number and it's 76 of

1584
01:10:59,430 --> 01:10:55,920
the total population and the other

1585
01:11:01,590 --> 01:10:59,440
percentage is children so we played with

1586
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:01,600
a different weight we did it by

1587
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,400
sightings and population for each state

1588
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:08,640
okay we

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01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:10,400
went out the census and pulled the

1590
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:13,120
numbers for adult americans for every

1591
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:14,960
state and then put it in a spreadsheet

1592
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,000
along with the sightings and calculated

1593
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,760
the value there

1594
01:11:23,110 --> 01:11:22,080
and we ended up with a bell curve

1595
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,120
okay

1596
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,679
on one end it was one in about 150

1597
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:27,760
people reports what they see on the

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01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:30,239
other end of it was one in about 450

1599
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:32,320
people report what they see and the

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01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:35,520
median that that that average middle was

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01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:38,840
one in about 250 260

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01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,679
people it's always the bell curve never

1603
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:42,800
lies

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01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,520
no no it doesn't it it it's where you

1605
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,199
can apply it to anything i don't care if

1606
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:50,159
it's knitting socks right i don't care

1607
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:51,440
what it is

1608
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,880
the bell curve uh applies to absolutely

1609
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:57,199
everything and it doesn't lie okay so

1610
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,560
would you like to know the number of how

1611
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:00,480
many people didn't report them yeah i

1612
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,920
would love it

1613
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,040
okay we are talking about 42 million

1614
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:07,679
four hundred thousand

1615
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:13,510
which is

1616
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,120
ten percent

1617
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:17,199
uh it's pushing twenty percent yeah yeah

1618
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:18,719
pushing twenty percent of the pop well

1619
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,719
it depends on uh the age group right

1620
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,199
yeah yeah but that that's that's what it

1621
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,719
shook out and we cranked the numbers a

1622
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:27,920
couple of different ways to to do that

1623
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:31,199
and uh so it came back pretty solid

1624
01:12:36,149 --> 01:12:32,080
and

1625
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,159
against one of my charts it goes from

1626
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,560
like 2001 to 2020 and looking at the

1627
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:39,840
yearlies

1628
01:12:45,910 --> 01:12:42,960
and the year the year lease averaged

1629
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,920
uh in the peak years we'll say 2010 to

1630
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:47,920
about 2014.

1631
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,159
they were sitting in around ten thousand

1632
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:53,120
a year typically okay

1633
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,040
i want to interrupt because

1634
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:57,280
i'm in the middle of uh uh

1635
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,000
reading uh this book about scientists uh

1636
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:05,520
and and the fermi paradox and it pretty

1637
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,880
dry

1638
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:08,400
um

1639
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,199
but

1640
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,239
it's fascinating and one of and and i

1641
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,080
just read this last night

1642
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,199
um one of these statistics uh was in

1643
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:19,920
there from one of these uh physicists

1644
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:24,640
and said uh in a recent poll from 2017

1645
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:26,320
wasn't your poll

1646
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:29,679
um that 60

1647
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,440
of americans

1648
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,600
believe in aliens

1649
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,560
sixty percent not not sightings right

1650
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:39,600
but believe that we are being contacted

1651
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:40,960
sixty percent

1652
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,400
and i thought that was a pretty

1653
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,040
astounding number to be published that

1654
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:46,800
shakes out when you figure

1655
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,400
um in the

1656
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:50,719
in the polls they said 36 percent are

1657
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,560
believers around that number roughly

1658
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,280
okay right right shifts from poland but

1659
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:57,520
basically about that number and about 42

1660
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,000
percent are on the fence right okay so

1661
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,239
that 60 percent would easily fall in the

1662
01:14:06,149 --> 01:14:05,120
in in that in that range yeah and to

1663
01:14:09,590 --> 01:14:06,159
have a

1664
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:09,600
and my my part of it was that it was i

1665
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:12,080
was surprised to have a a scientist a

1666
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:13,199
physicist

1667
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,440
uh admit to this number because they're

1668
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,400
always fighting you know this subject

1669
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,960
but to have them uh publish it i thought

1670
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:22,880
was pretty interesting

1671
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:24,400
well we had something interesting he

1672
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,880
just happened just a couple of weeks ago

1673
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,520
there's this convention down in um

1674
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,560
huntsville alabama uh uh rick hoffman

1675
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:33,760
hosts the yeah

1676
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:34,880
yes yes

1677
01:14:39,030 --> 01:14:36,640
yeah yeah right okay

1678
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:39,040
and they had a couple of professors

1679
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,920
there

1680
01:14:44,550 --> 01:14:42,560
uh wanted to fill out this whole thing

1681
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,560
with statistics themselves

1682
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:46,239
they put a big map in the united states

1683
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,440
on the wall and they threw a couple of

1684
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,960
darts at it

1685
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:50,960
and wherever the darts went in the

1686
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,280
middle of nowhere wherever it went they

1687
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:55,360
they went to that location and

1688
01:14:59,030 --> 01:14:57,600
did a detailed study talking to people

1689
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,040
interviewing the man on the street as

1690
01:15:04,149 --> 01:15:01,679
they said and the numbers they came back

1691
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:04,159
with even from the smallest po dunk town

1692
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,880
were

1693
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:06,719
huge

1694
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,600
okay

1695
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,440
and i got that the other night from

1696
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,000
another scientist he told me he says

1697
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:13,920
you're right on the numbers are much

1698
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:16,239
bigger and actually you're limited by

1699
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:18,239
the fact that people report to mufon a

1700
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,520
new fork

1701
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,679
how many are out there they're not being

1702
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:23,520
reported

1703
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:25,520
and i said i gave you a number how big

1704
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:27,040
that is and

1705
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:29,120
this we we need to

1706
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:32,320
shore up these holes of data and linda

1707
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,159
who is the brains of our entire

1708
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,840
operation here

1709
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,800
said yeah and then our pink book the

1710
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:40,880
last book came out last year she said in

1711
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,280
the preface okay here we are again five

1712
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:45,760
years later doing the government's job

1713
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,920
it should have been done by the census

1714
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:49,679
department

1715
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:52,800
they don't want to know

1716
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:56,159
you know as um as a as a as a journalist

1717
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,159
i'm speaking of you

1718
01:16:02,870 --> 01:16:00,480
um uh i want to get we're going to get

1719
01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,880
to ufo hot spots everybody but i've got

1720
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:04,560
cheryl on the show and we're just

1721
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,520
talking

1722
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:08,640
is is this as as a journalist

1723
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:12,320
um are you surprised about the media

1724
01:16:16,750 --> 01:16:14,560
coverage uh certainly in the last four

1725
01:16:20,870 --> 01:16:16,760
years but like in the last

1726
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:20,880
365 days on this subject

1727
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,120
you're doing it as a media organization

1728
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:26,880
because you know that this is what the

1729
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,560
public wants to hear

1730
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,719
are you surprised to have this turn of

1731
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,520
events and and to have the media you

1732
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:35,840
know out of the closet so to speak

1733
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:38,880
they're not out of the closet

1734
01:16:42,950 --> 01:16:40,960
i've talked to 20 different media

1735
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:42,960
organizations in the last three months

1736
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:44,159
and given them

1737
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:45,840
i sent you a little report there said

1738
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,199
the scale of things that little

1739
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:49,760
four-page report tells you just how big

1740
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,990
they don't want to know they don't want

1741
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,760
to know i've reached i have reached out

1742
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,199
of course remember all the major

1743
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,199
newspapers are

1744
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:04,000
used to be a local nice strong local big

1745
01:17:06,870 --> 01:17:05,280
town paper

1746
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,880
is now owned by some other big

1747
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:08,560
conglomerate

1748
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,760
okay

1749
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,760
so uh here give you an example here in

1750
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,760
cleveland uh cleveland we have what used

1751
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:15,440
to be the plain dealer it's now

1752
01:17:21,990 --> 01:17:17,120
cleveland.com

1753
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,000
house organization the herald papers

1754
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:24,159
that type of thing you go i worked for

1755
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,760
them once upon a time

1756
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:27,840
and uh the um

1757
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,640
uh

1758
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,480
the other big newspaper out in

1759
01:17:33,590 --> 01:17:32,480
cincinnati about an hour and a half down

1760
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,600
the road

1761
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:36,800
that's owned by usa today the gannet

1762
01:17:42,709 --> 01:17:39,440
network okay so it's all controlled by

1763
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,719
about six or seven organizations and i

1764
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:44,960
approached last year when our pink book

1765
01:17:50,660 --> 01:17:48,640
came out i approached them uh the the uh

1766
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,670
usa today people

1767
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,320
[Music]

1768
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:54,560
they wouldn't do a national story

1769
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,199
i had the national numbers i got numbers

1770
01:18:02,229 --> 01:17:59,920
so blow your socks off no we can't do

1771
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,239
that they came back to me the local

1772
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,239
affiliate came back to me and we did one

1773
01:18:08,550 --> 01:18:06,719
about about a five county area in

1774
01:18:10,950 --> 01:18:08,560
upstate new york where i lived at the

1775
01:18:14,790 --> 01:18:10,960
time so we ended up in binghamton new

1776
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,800
york elmira new york corning new york uh

1777
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:15,840
uh

1778
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:21,040
york okay and of course my family's all

1779
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:23,040
up there the ones that have disowned me

1780
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,080
and uh disinherited me um so they uh

1781
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,520
they all saw this and they were

1782
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:31,040
thoroughly embarrassed you asked about

1783
01:18:34,070 --> 01:18:32,640
being embarrassed talk about ufos

1784
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:34,080
they're thoroughly embarrassed of me

1785
01:18:37,990 --> 01:18:36,320
ending up on the front page of the paper

1786
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,000
uh

1787
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,480
that's tough

1788
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,679
that's just tough the um but i'm

1789
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,159
actually surprised about that and it

1790
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,679
seems

1791
01:18:53,510 --> 01:18:50,080
uh i've said this so many times on the

1792
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,520
air but uh i'm gonna say this again

1793
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:55,440
when i was uh

1794
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,199
in school i went back you know for

1795
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:59,280
journalism and and broadcast and

1796
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:01,199
television and radio and

1797
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:03,760
and you know it's i went to school here

1798
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,360
in los angeles so we have access to

1799
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,520
you know uh teachers that are

1800
01:19:15,270 --> 01:19:11,679
professionals and one of them worked for

1801
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:15,280
cnn i can't say who it was but um and

1802
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,280
you know teaching for a couple of weeks

1803
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,520
and this certain thing

1804
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:21,040
and i asked him

1805
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:27,910
what about he was talking about how you

1806
01:19:33,189 --> 01:19:30,800
how you would approach your your news

1807
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:33,199
editor the director of the news on on

1808
01:19:36,790 --> 01:19:34,880
something that you would like to and

1809
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,800
these are the procedures for it and so

1810
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:38,640
forth i said okay

1811
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:40,400
raise my hand

1812
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:43,280
what if you had a ufo story

1813
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:45,040
and he looked he's he

1814
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:46,080
what

1815
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:50,800
you've got uh you've got video you've

1816
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,080
got photographs you've got witnesses and

1817
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,560
you've got this story and

1818
01:20:02,070 --> 01:19:58,719
what would you no i wouldn't i wouldn't

1819
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:02,080
take a ufo story to my news editor

1820
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,920
i go well why not you got these story no

1821
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:07,520
man that's that's the kiss of death

1822
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,600
that's a career ender

1823
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,840
and that was his response i said what no

1824
01:20:14,629 --> 01:20:13,360
no no i don't want to talk about it

1825
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,639
anymore

1826
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,400
and that's where that was left and i

1827
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:18,239
thought to myself at that moment you're

1828
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,120
dead then that's what i'm gonna do

1829
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,600
if that's the case then that's what i'm

1830
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,600
going to do but that's the way that the

1831
01:20:29,270 --> 01:20:28,480
media looked at this

1832
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,280
um

1833
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,800
you know somebody

1834
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,880
i had one editor

1835
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:35,040
say to me you know

1836
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,800
you've gone to this good school you've

1837
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,560
done this degree in entertainment

1838
01:20:41,590 --> 01:20:40,239
writing kind of an extension of

1839
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,600
journalism

1840
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:44,560
gotten been going

1841
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:45,440
and

1842
01:20:49,590 --> 01:20:47,840
he says you know you do this ufo stuff

1843
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,600
you're you're you're gonna shoot

1844
01:20:54,390 --> 01:20:52,239
yourself in the foot right

1845
01:21:00,629 --> 01:20:54,400
and i looked at him

1846
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:00,639
i have been in combat in vietnam i have

1847
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:03,440
been in cold war nuclear submarine

1848
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:05,040
duties and you don't want to know what

1849
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:06,239
we did

1850
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,120
and i've been through a sex change what

1851
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:11,199
else have you got

1852
01:21:16,950 --> 01:21:14,639
i'm not afraid of you exactly

1853
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,960
exactly exactly and and and

1854
01:21:20,229 --> 01:21:18,159
right there

1855
01:21:23,110 --> 01:21:20,239
that's the challenge

1856
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:23,120
if if that's the way the system is then

1857
01:21:26,470 --> 01:21:24,800
i'm down for the challenge i don't want

1858
01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:26,480
to take the easy road here i got one

1859
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:28,159
better goes with this like this is like

1860
01:21:32,709 --> 01:21:29,600
in the last week there's there was this

1861
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:32,719
story that came out of um iowa in the

1862
01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:34,639
past couple of days but somebody had a

1863
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:36,560
great the sighting out there and they

1864
01:21:41,270 --> 01:21:39,040
reported national ufo reporting center

1865
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,280
everything and the people who carried it

1866
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,360
was kcci

1867
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:45,120
tv station okay

1868
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,600
well i read that article and uh about a

1869
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,800
day later i sent them a

1870
01:21:53,669 --> 01:21:52,960
a pdf of my little report that i sent to

1871
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,679
you

1872
01:21:57,590 --> 01:21:55,120
the scale of things but i had it

1873
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,600
tailored to iowa right down to the

1874
01:22:02,550 --> 01:21:59,360
county level and i gave them out some of

1875
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,560
their choice zip codes for the county

1876
01:22:07,910 --> 01:22:05,440
that their tv stations in and i said if

1877
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,920
you want to do a really good feature set

1878
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:09,760
over a period of a week a little feature

1879
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:12,560
every day as part of the scale of ufos

1880
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,480
in iowa i can give you the data to for

1881
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:18,639
every county that's in your market for

1882
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,920
god's sakes

1883
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,239
okay now how many people can come to you

1884
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,719
with a story said taylor made for your

1885
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,199
market that's right

1886
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:29,920
nothing no i got it back a note from uh

1887
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,239
unusual i got actually got a note back

1888
01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:35,120
from them okay and as the night

1889
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:37,360
executive director most tv producers

1890
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:38,960
here at night anyway

1891
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:42,400
and he said we have filed your what you

1892
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:44,080
sent us we'll contact you next time

1893
01:22:48,629 --> 01:22:45,920
there's a ufo sighting

1894
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,639
i didn't want to dig into it further and

1895
01:22:53,030 --> 01:22:51,040
now i read something today that there's

1896
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,040
a massive cover up out there about the

1897
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:55,520
thing yeah i saw

1898
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:58,480
when when the story broke so i i went

1899
01:23:01,830 --> 01:22:59,920
back and

1900
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,840
i watched the news segment that was

1901
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,440
produced on that

1902
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:04,480
and

1903
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:07,120
uh the kid i mean it was just an honest

1904
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,880
look man i saw something and i and i

1905
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:09,840
shot it

1906
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,639
and

1907
01:23:23,750 --> 01:23:11,520
i

1908
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:23,760
okay no no no

1909
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,040
all right so

1910
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:27,280
that that tv station the weather man

1911
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:28,880
jumps in she

1912
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:32,480
he had dirty glass on his windshield

1913
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:35,360
and i was just like like he like

1914
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:39,199
oh man you know and how to squash it i

1915
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,040
had uh i had

1916
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:43,760
i had i'm not gonna say the the network

1917
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,719
but a mate one of the three networks

1918
01:23:51,189 --> 01:23:48,800
comes out to interview me

1919
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:51,199
and uh and we're doing this interview

1920
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,120
and i said to the guy to the report i

1921
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,159
said look man i swear to god

1922
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:58,480
be serious about this or we don't we

1923
01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:00,639
don't have to do this at all no no no we

1924
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,480
take the subject serious man you don't

1925
01:24:07,830 --> 01:24:04,960
have to worry about i said man

1926
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:07,840
don't run the x-files music oh no thank

1927
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:09,440
you thank you

1928
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:11,280
we won't do that we won't do that okay

1929
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:13,600
so that night on the news

1930
01:24:17,590 --> 01:24:14,800
right

1931
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,600
there's my face there's the interview

1932
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:19,520
what did they do

1933
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,440
x-files music

1934
01:24:26,229 --> 01:24:24,239
and i was so i i you know now i had

1935
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,239
people writing me from all across the

1936
01:24:29,669 --> 01:24:28,320
country and friends and and people that

1937
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:29,679
i didn't know

1938
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,719
um

1939
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,120
that did happen to see this uh piece it

1940
01:24:38,070 --> 01:24:36,320
went national but the point being

1941
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:38,080
that it was all followed up they were

1942
01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,520
sending me the clips and they ran the

1943
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:41,199
x-files music

1944
01:24:45,990 --> 01:24:45,120
i mean you know and and that's ah

1945
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:46,000
okay

1946
01:24:50,070 --> 01:24:47,760
let's uh let's get into it let's get

1947
01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:50,080
into it before i get more angry one

1948
01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:51,760
thing i got to qualify i saw something

1949
01:24:55,669 --> 01:24:53,360
there in the talk stream

1950
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:55,679
i did not work at skunk works i worked

1951
01:25:00,629 --> 01:24:58,080
for lockheed martin but i did not i did

1952
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,639
not work for skunk works i was gonna

1953
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,320
bring that up i was gonna bring that up

1954
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,320
so they brought it up in uh

1955
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:06,560
what what did you do for lockheed

1956
01:25:10,629 --> 01:25:08,239
can you talk about it

1957
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:10,639
uh let's see let's see um

1958
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:12,960
for five years early in the career of my

1959
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:15,600
32 years with them i produced industrial

1960
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,560
films

1961
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,400
oh that's awesome

1962
01:25:22,390 --> 01:25:20,320
okay i was the i was the writer and

1963
01:25:26,310 --> 01:25:22,400
director for uh for

1964
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,320
70 70 industrial films and pr films okay

1965
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,040
any industrial films on the alien bodies

1966
01:25:33,990 --> 01:25:31,679
that were buried underground in palmdale

1967
01:25:36,310 --> 01:25:34,000
no no no no this is strictly about

1968
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:36,320
aerospace manufacturing you didn't do

1969
01:25:48,070 --> 01:25:44,629
did you do any tr3b anti-gravity

1970
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,080
technology no no i did do a couple of

1971
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,840
movies about people soldering boards

1972
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:51,199
that went on the space shuttle but that

1973
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:53,199
was about it you know

1974
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,880
it was exciting now i can't tell you

1975
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,600
where those computers went

1976
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:59,520
right you're building the computers

1977
01:26:02,790 --> 01:26:01,920
right i can't tell you where they went

1978
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,800
now

1979
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,880
somebody else said something about you

1980
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,320
know she said something about her

1981
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,639
security oath okay let me explain that

1982
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,639
lou elisando's had to deal with this as

1983
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:12,400
well okay

1984
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,800
okay one of the first lessons i learned

1985
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:16,719
about the intelligence profession was

1986
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,679
that it has less morals than the

1987
01:26:25,189 --> 01:26:21,840
second oldest profession and

1988
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:25,199
intelligence is is the second i'm sorry

1989
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,280
prostitution is the first profession

1990
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:29,760
intelligence is the second okay yes to

1991
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,880
do this kind of work you have to be

1992
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:34,400
convinced you're doing something for the

1993
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:36,000
well-being in the country and that you

1994
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:37,520
love your country

1995
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:39,440
uh the next issue you have to keep in

1996
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,360
mind is this idea of uh anonymity is the

1997
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:45,199
principle you will go to your grave

1998
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,960
without your loved ones your relatives

1999
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:48,719
your friends your wife knowing what you

2000
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:51,520
did for your country okay and also

2001
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:53,840
knowing that a member of your team has a

2002
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,000
bullet with your name on it right in

2003
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,040
case of imminent capture is is all that

2004
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:01,360
this is i think this is the painting

2005
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,560
that is

2006
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,719
out there that we view

2007
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:07,840
but are you confirming this this is the

2008
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,520
attitude of the security oath yeah

2009
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,760
well it's it's it's not that's not the

2010
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:16,000
the oath it's kind of more of a credo

2011
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:18,320
and i think the last aspect of it is

2012
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:21,199
that if you are captured it's like

2013
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:22,480
mission impossible they're going to

2014
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:24,239
disavow your butt

2015
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,760
you know so

2016
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:28,000
i never knew her and you're never out of

2017
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:29,760
the business

2018
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,120
you see movies saying well you're always

2019
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:35,040
a member of the company you're never out

2020
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:36,880
of the intelligence business you may

2021
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,679
stop doing do daily duties for them but

2022
01:27:43,910 --> 01:27:41,360
you are in the business until your last

2023
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:43,920
dying day period and that's all i can

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01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:46,880
say in the topic

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01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,320
so

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01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:50,880
you know where i live

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01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,679
and

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01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:53,120
i

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01:28:04,229 --> 01:27:58,159
now

2030
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,239
it's not like i see

2031
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:06,159
alien motherships you know being

2032
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,360
constructed you know down the street uh

2033
01:28:14,790 --> 01:28:11,440
i don't necessarily i've got a printout

2034
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:14,800
of everything you've seen right here

2035
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:18,080
but i have seen some stuff that is

2036
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,800
absolutely incredible

2037
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,960
and when we go back to these you know

2038
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:25,679
statements you know you know by ben rich

2039
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:26,960
and others

2040
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,760
about this area uh that is out here and

2041
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,520
it is high tech

2042
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:32,880
um

2043
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,679
i i can understand that what the public

2044
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:37,199
sees is

2045
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,159
is is 50 years before what they're

2046
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,480
working on i i can believe that i can

2047
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,639
truly believe it well let me let me give

2048
01:28:50,070 --> 01:28:47,120
you an example um i

2049
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:50,080
the exact zip code you gave me

2050
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,679
uh uh showed zero i had nothing for that

2051
01:28:57,070 --> 01:28:56,000
zip code but that's not unusual but the

2052
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,080
other one

2053
01:29:01,350 --> 01:29:00,320
93550 palmdale which just up the road

2054
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:01,360
okay

2055
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,239
they had over 20 years they had 73

2056
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,400
reported sightings i have to say that

2057
01:29:12,390 --> 01:29:09,600
reported sightings okay and they had uh

2058
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,400
changing ufos cigar shaped uh circle

2059
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:15,520
ufos cylinders diamonds discs fireballs

2060
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:19,360
formations lights in the sky uh ovals uh

2061
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:21,520
rectangles saturn like ships those are

2062
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:22,480
rare

2063
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:25,840
um spheres uh squares and rectangles

2064
01:29:32,629 --> 01:29:29,760
starlets and triangles and unknown

2065
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:32,639
that was last night

2066
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:36,719
and uh yeah

2067
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,080
and i would suspect i've got a minute

2068
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:42,639
before the break but i'm gonna say this

2069
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,920
that the majority of

2070
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:48,159
people that live here

2071
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:50,000
all work over there they work down the

2072
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:50,960
street

2073
01:29:54,709 --> 01:29:53,040
and they're not going to be looking at

2074
01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:54,719
the skies and they're not going to be

2075
01:29:59,910 --> 01:29:57,120
reporting anything because they know

2076
01:30:02,950 --> 01:29:59,920
what what is happening around here so

2077
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:02,960
reports in my exact zip code i could a

2078
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:06,159
lack of i could i could totally get it

2079
01:30:11,110 --> 01:30:07,520
let me give you a number real quick i

2080
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:11,120
know you got to go um the uh there are

2081
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,800
in excess of about 3030 counties 3050

2082
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:17,040
counties it changes constantly because

2083
01:30:19,750 --> 01:30:18,480
sometimes they're merging them that type

2084
01:30:22,470 --> 01:30:19,760
of thing

2085
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:22,480
of all those 3 000 some odd counties

2086
01:30:28,629 --> 01:30:26,159
only 105 counties did not report ufos

2087
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:28,639
from 2001 to 2020.

2088
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,679
150 105 counties did not report ufos of

2089
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:35,760
over three thousand counties

2090
01:30:41,350 --> 01:30:38,639
is it because that nobody lives in those

2091
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:41,360
counties right population one

2092
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:42,320
um

2093
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,840
yeah that and lack of rural broadband

2094
01:30:49,110 --> 01:30:47,280
oh yeah

2095
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,120
there's a little checkerboard square of

2096
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:51,360
poor counties with no broadband in

2097
01:30:55,750 --> 01:30:53,760
georgia okay

2098
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:55,760
now the other flip on that is we tested

2099
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:58,320
it against zip codes okay we put zip

2100
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,400
codes into the database and there's a 41

2101
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,960
600 zip codes in the country

2102
01:31:09,750 --> 01:31:06,320
18

2103
01:31:11,830 --> 01:31:09,760
500 of them had reported ufos and by

2104
01:31:14,070 --> 01:31:11,840
putting zip code information in we got a

2105
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,080
degree of resolution

2106
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:16,400
um to where they really are

2107
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,040
and uh found some amazing stuff in there

2108
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:21,520
in the past year yeah let's uh we'll

2109
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,960
follow up on all of that when we come

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01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,440
back i guess tonight gerald costa

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight we are discussing

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01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:32,960
the mythical daily ufo hot spot we'll

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get to all of that right after this

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short break

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church our guest tonight

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cheryl costa how do i keep up

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01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,440
with cheryl costa and the numbers that

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01:37:56,790 --> 01:37:54,960
we are about to go through how do i do

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01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,800
it i do it with

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01:38:01,669 --> 01:37:59,840
brain peak nine

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two month supply right now click on the

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link below this is it

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this is how i am able to think

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01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:09,440
when i've got cheryl costa on the show

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01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:18,070
you laugh i i need i need this at my age

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okay can i qualify something yeah i saw

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01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:22,239
something during the break i saw

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01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:23,840
something going up in the stream there

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01:38:28,709 --> 01:38:26,080
somebody made the content comment about

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01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:28,719
me being involved with the woo hey

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01:38:34,790 --> 01:38:31,679
yes i can go into the woo very deeply i

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01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:34,800
am a card-carrying witch okay

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and i live in a life of high strangeness

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01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:40,560
and i have for 44 years okay

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01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,520
in fact if it wasn't for the craft

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01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:45,440
i probably wouldn't have been able to

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deal with it

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i you know i i love the woo

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i love the wood yeah

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i have a coffee mug here it says uh it

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:57,199
was made for me by a friend a church of

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01:39:01,430 --> 01:39:00,239
wu i'm i'm all about that i'm all about

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01:39:02,629 --> 01:39:01,440
that now

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01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:02,639
okay

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01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,119
let's get into this and and i'm gonna

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01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:07,679
ask your permission um

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01:39:14,550 --> 01:39:11,280
i've got your stuff here that i can

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01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,560
display is it okay if you're sure sure

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01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:16,320
all right so i've got that i've got that

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at the ready

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01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:18,719
um

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01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,119
uh and the first thing i'm not going to

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01:39:25,350 --> 01:39:23,679
pull this up now but the first thing is

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uh the

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the counties that haven't reported

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01:39:33,270 --> 01:39:30,400
and it's

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01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,280
when you look at the graph right and and

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01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,040
your presentation of this

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01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:36,960
then you understand

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01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:39,040
how crazy of a number that actually is

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01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:40,159
so we're going to get to that in a

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second

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01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:44,560
but i want to get into the definition

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of

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01:39:48,310 --> 01:39:46,880
the

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01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:48,320
mythical

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01:39:55,510 --> 01:39:51,840
daily ufo hotspot as opposed to

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01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,520
the mythical ufo hotspot right

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01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:58,480
or or the daily ufo hotspot when you

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01:40:03,109 --> 01:40:02,000
combine that into the mythical daily ufo

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hotspot

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this is where i want your definition

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what is that

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okay um

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three ever since our first book came out

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01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:15,280
back in 2015 or 2017 i've had producers

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in hollywood calling me up and things

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01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,040
like this you'll notice i'm not on any

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01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,360
of those shows for some reason they

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01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:23,280
don't want me on their shelves

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01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:24,320
but

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uh

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01:40:29,189 --> 01:40:26,800
they were coming to me and they were

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01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:29,199
saying oh well we want to know the hot

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01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:30,960
spot where we can go and set up our

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01:40:36,149 --> 01:40:32,480
cameras because some place where they

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01:40:37,590 --> 01:40:36,159
show up every day we can capture one uh

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01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:37,600
and then there's the people who call me

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01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:40,400
up and say they want to go into a uh ufo

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01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,239
sighting party someplace and of course

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they read last year or the year before

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they read those things that um

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done by

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24 7 wall street that said

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maine and vermont are ground zero for

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01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:55,760
ufos of course it's a per capita

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calculation and they are literally

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01:41:02,709 --> 01:41:01,440
in the in the basement of sightings they

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01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,719
really are

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um so here's the deal

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01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,119
there are people who think these things

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show up someplace like a scheduled bus

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schedule or a train schedule

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okay

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01:41:17,030 --> 01:41:15,119
and i couldn't prove

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either way i couldn't confirm it and i

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couldn't prove it anyway now

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california is the number one state

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florida is the number two state texas is

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the number three state okay and then the

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next seven or eight states play musical

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01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,560
chairs every year okay

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01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,639
but the bottom line was that's at the

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state level

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um los angeles county number one county

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01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,280
in the country for for ufo sighting

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01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,679
reports they have more sightings than 38

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individual states number two county for

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01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,600
settings maricopa county phoenix okay

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01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,600
they have more sightings than 36

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individual states

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01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,239
you would think these are

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the the hot spot for that daily sighting

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okay

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01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,840
well about three months ago we started

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01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:03,920
actually playing with this kind of a

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01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,239
number because the question kept coming

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up and i said let me go find it now i

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01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:10,639
had had an instinct that there were hot

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01:42:16,390 --> 01:42:13,119
spots out there but i didn't know how to

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dis display them and find them

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let me explain how big the problem is

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okay

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a a single year

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over 20 years 2001 to 2020

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is

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three hundred and three days and that's

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including the leap years

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okay

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01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:35,960
so if you take 50 states times 7

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303 that

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means we have

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146 thousand sixty days over twenty

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years for fifty states

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01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:49,440
okay now we're trying to find

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a hot spot it's like trying to find a

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needle in a haystack

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01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:56,239
okay a couple of months ago i was

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playing around with a couple of

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different style reports

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and i managed to hit on two

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that showed me something the first one i

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did was i displayed up the zip codes

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with the most sightings

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01:43:18,109 --> 01:43:14,480
okay so if you want to know the hot spot

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in the country by zip code it's

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85001 which is downtown phoenix and in

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01:43:27,430 --> 01:43:24,880
20 years they had

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1374.

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01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:29,280
that sounds like a lot

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01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:32,400
okay but over 20 years on a day to day a

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01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:34,800
monthly basis it works out to only about

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01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:36,159
six a month

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01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:38,560
and if you're paying 250 a night for a

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01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:40,080
hotel room to sit there with your

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01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,600
cameras waiting for these things you're

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01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:43,440
gonna be there forever and you're gonna

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01:43:46,070 --> 01:43:45,119
go gonna go broke

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01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,080
okay

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01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,760
um let me give you

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01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:49,520
the top 10

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um

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01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,199
okay

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01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:57,360
before we get there

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01:44:00,470 --> 01:43:58,480
i i do

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01:44:01,669 --> 01:44:00,480
this is where i want to show this map

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okay

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01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:03,119
and uh

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01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,800
and and here it is now these counties

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01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:09,040
these are the counties that

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01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,040
haven't reported for whatever reason

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01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:15,520
uh a ufo sighting the black is where

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01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:17,440
they've all been reported and the the

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01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:18,639
ones that are white are where they

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01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:20,960
haven't been reported that's incredible

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01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:23,600
to me i mean there's virtually not a

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01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,360
spot in the country that hasn't had uh

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01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:29,440
i've sent these to major newspapers

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01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:31,280
along with the one that's like this it's

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01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,840
about zip codes

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01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:34,400
yawn

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01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,119
that

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01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,679
this is it's absolutely incredible and

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01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:38,880
and so

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01:44:43,350 --> 01:44:42,080
when we look at these areas uh and we

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01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,360
could you know break it and we're not

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01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:44,800
going to do that now

2415
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,239
but you know that these are rural areas

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01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,719
like you said probably no internet

2417
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,880
very low population

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01:44:57,189 --> 01:44:54,239
and

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01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:57,199
they're poor or poor or poor

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01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,880
um there are ufos there

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01:45:06,149 --> 01:45:03,119
they're just not getting reported that's

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01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:06,159
exactly it yeah yeah and uh and here's

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01:45:11,350 --> 01:45:08,159
the other uh comment that i want to make

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01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,360
now this is i think this is just a a a

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01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:13,440
shocking map by the way it's a real

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01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,800
eye-opener but here's the other thing um

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01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,280
you brought up la county

2428
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,119
you know being number one and having i

2429
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,679
think you said more sightings than 38

2430
01:45:28,229 --> 01:45:25,679
states uh i think that's the number that

2431
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:28,239
you threw out 38 individual states yeah

2432
01:45:33,830 --> 01:45:31,360
now um i would say that that is

2433
01:45:36,550 --> 01:45:33,840
uh well it's it's a real number we're

2434
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,560
talking about numbers here but

2435
01:45:40,470 --> 01:45:39,600
we have a huge population number one

2436
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:40,480
um

2437
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:43,679
and so the odds of people looking up and

2438
01:45:49,109 --> 01:45:46,560
reporting something are greater but

2439
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:49,119
here's the thing but it's not driven by

2440
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:52,159
population it can't be because it's

2441
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,960
population temperate weather leisure

2442
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:57,360
time hours of darkness

2443
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:59,520
those are and then there's a whole set

2444
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:01,840
of five influencers

2445
01:46:06,390 --> 01:46:03,840
and and and here's the thing and here's

2446
01:46:09,109 --> 01:46:06,400
the reason why uh

2447
01:46:10,870 --> 01:46:09,119
that number is a real one to me but

2448
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:10,880
doesn't make any sense

2449
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,280
in that l.a proper la proper like la

2450
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,760
inglewood you know the the you know

2451
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:19,760
santa monica all the way out to

2452
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:22,480
well i almost said palm springs but

2453
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:24,880
let's just say like la puente

2454
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:28,320
uh west covina which is the edge of

2455
01:46:34,229 --> 01:46:31,760
concrete right all the way to the water

2456
01:46:37,430 --> 01:46:34,239
and then from the santa monica mountains

2457
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,440
down to the edge of orange county

2458
01:46:42,070 --> 01:46:38,960
long beach and everything that's down

2459
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:42,080
there that's light pollution central

2460
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:44,480
that's likely you look up into the sky

2461
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:46,880
cheryl and you don't see a star you may

2462
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:49,520
see one star and you're lucky if you see

2463
01:46:53,030 --> 01:46:50,800
the moon

2464
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:53,040
but once you get outside of that because

2465
01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:54,800
i'm in la county

2466
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,320
i am but i'm in the mojave desert and

2467
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,080
joshua tree

2468
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:03,440
and and you know going out into other

2469
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:06,800
areas on the fringes of la county you

2470
01:47:11,990 --> 01:47:09,360
don't have light pollution no see that's

2471
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:12,000
the thing everybody hears la county they

2472
01:47:19,430 --> 01:47:15,600
think l.a the city right la county is a

2473
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,440
really big place huge

2474
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:21,360
and you go up into the mountains too as

2475
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,880
soon as you get above the city lights

2476
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:24,480
it's a whole different atmosphere a

2477
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:27,040
whole different thing and and i know

2478
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:30,480
because i have had sightings

2479
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:31,360
um

2480
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:38,480
i have a house in burbank i have this

2481
01:47:45,189 --> 01:47:41,760
place here too in in palmdale right and

2482
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,199
i know for a fact

2483
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:46,800
it's the same

2484
01:47:49,270 --> 01:47:48,080
sky

2485
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:49,280
right

2486
01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,239
that it's the same sky in burbank that

2487
01:47:56,390 --> 01:47:54,960
is 60 miles 50 miles away that's in

2488
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:56,400
joshua tree

2489
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,280
and and you're looking up into the sky

2490
01:48:03,189 --> 01:48:01,440
and you're seeing stuff and you're

2491
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:03,199
making contact

2492
01:48:07,990 --> 01:48:05,440
and i can drive home

2493
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:08,000
and look up in the sky and know

2494
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:10,000
it's the same sky

2495
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,520
as far as i know

2496
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:14,159
the sky's not changing you know

2497
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,760
that 50 miles

2498
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,760
but nobody is going to see you're going

2499
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:19,520
to see less stuff

2500
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:23,760
in in the city of l.a not l.a county

2501
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:25,119
because of the light pollution you're

2502
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:27,360
looking up and seeing nothing downtown

2503
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:30,719
l.a is like downtown dc it's all lights

2504
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,280
doll lights it's all like barely you can

2505
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,119
barely you can barely see the brightest

2506
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:37,760
star in the sky on a clear night in

2507
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:39,840
washington dc i was i'd lived down there

2508
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:42,400
for 30 years you know you just can't see

2509
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,159
it so people think that washington dc is

2510
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,920
supposed to be the capital of ufos in

2511
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:49,520
the united states

2512
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,719
no because people see ufos in the

2513
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:55,360
bedroom communities in the suburbs and

2514
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,000
all that and we prove that by the way

2515
01:49:01,910 --> 01:49:00,400
with this zip code stuff where we can

2516
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,920
actually look at it and look at where

2517
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:04,320
the zip codes are and the further you

2518
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:07,440
move out from the major city um

2519
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,600
you and then you put like time across

2520
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:11,760
the top you see that the sightings

2521
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,480
happen between six and mid and about

2522
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:16,639
midnight six actually actually about

2523
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:18,320
seven o'clock and about eleven o'clock

2524
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:19,599
at night and that's where all the

2525
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,880
sightings are uh at that time of day so

2526
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:23,840
it's all

2527
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:26,320
all pretty much done uh in the evening

2528
01:49:30,709 --> 01:49:28,480
hours okay i'm going to post this

2529
01:49:32,950 --> 01:49:30,719
question in the chat room real quick who

2530
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:32,960
thinks they live

2531
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:36,880
in a ufo hot spot and let's just light

2532
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:39,679
up uh the competition real quick in real

2533
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:40,800
time

2534
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:43,920
now let's go let's go down the list

2535
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:46,400
okay uh i'm gonna do like the

2536
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:49,199
top ten here uh phoenix

2537
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:50,639
vegas

2538
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:52,320
new york city

2539
01:49:59,750 --> 01:49:56,719
la and we're talking zip code nine zero

2540
01:50:02,550 --> 01:49:59,760
zero zero one which is for split that's

2541
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,560
downtown yeah yeah and that's the weird

2542
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:04,719
thing you know but okay one thing i got

2543
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,080
to make sure you know phoenix had 13 000

2544
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:11,119
uh uh 74. but you as soon as you move

2545
01:50:16,629 --> 01:50:13,920
into vegas and new york city and and and

2546
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:16,639
near in let's see yeah

2547
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,480
it falls off by

2548
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,159
30

2549
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,000
and then the next

2550
01:50:27,189 --> 01:50:25,119
step down it falls off by another 30 it

2551
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,199
starts falling off real quick there's

2552
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,239
only about 25 or 30 counties or zip

2553
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:32,239
codes in the united states that have a

2554
01:50:37,270 --> 01:50:35,280
significant amount of sightings

2555
01:50:40,229 --> 01:50:37,280
interesting interesting

2556
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,239
so then after la it's austin i didn't

2557
01:50:44,790 --> 01:50:42,800
expect that one seattle i didn't expect

2558
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:44,800
sort of expected portland

2559
01:50:54,550 --> 01:50:49,280
chicago tucson uh san diego houston

2560
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:56,470
it's like the strangest list i've ever

2561
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,080
heard

2562
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:01,040
it's it it is not what i expected not at

2563
01:51:05,270 --> 01:51:01,840
all

2564
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,280
um

2565
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:07,679
and those are

2566
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,639
okay

2567
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,639
they're like the top 10 or 12 right here

2568
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:12,960
i've got about 30 of them here but the

2569
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,360
uh the light pollution in each one of

2570
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:17,679
those areas but here's the thing okay

2571
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:19,360
now let's let's talk about this for a

2572
01:51:21,430 --> 01:51:20,560
second

2573
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:21,440
um

2574
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:23,199
but you spread the light pollution but

2575
01:51:29,030 --> 01:51:25,679
remember as soon as you get

2576
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,040
light uh hours of darkness is a big deal

2577
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:32,159
so even in a metropolitan area if you're

2578
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,080
in a high-rise or something like this

2579
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,639
you're above the lights somewhat now if

2580
01:51:39,790 --> 01:51:39,040
we take la off of the list

2581
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:39,800
because

2582
01:51:45,510 --> 01:51:43,119
9001 is shocking to me and somebody's

2583
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:45,520
lying but anyway

2584
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,719
because downtown l.a but

2585
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:51,199
if you look at las vegas

2586
01:51:56,229 --> 01:51:54,000
it's it doesn't take but a couple of

2587
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:56,239
miles before you're in the desert and

2588
01:51:59,510 --> 01:51:57,599
you're out of that light pollution as

2589
01:52:01,990 --> 01:51:59,520
soon as you get off the strip

2590
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:02,000
about six blocks it's you start being

2591
01:52:05,990 --> 01:52:03,840
able to see the sky yeah

2592
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:06,000
it's the same thing in seattle

2593
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:08,560
it's the same thing in portland it's the

2594
01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:10,639
same thing in phoenix it's the same

2595
01:52:14,310 --> 01:52:12,960
thing in austin it's the same thing in

2596
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,320
albuquerque

2597
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,560
um so yeah that absolutely makes sense

2598
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:18,719
about those areas because

2599
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:21,840
you can get out of downtown very very

2600
01:52:25,350 --> 01:52:23,360
quickly and away from the light

2601
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:25,360
pollution that makes a lot of sense to

2602
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:27,599
me yep

2603
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:29,599
but uh but again if

2604
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:31,840
in the context of looking for that place

2605
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:33,920
where you can

2606
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:37,520
look at a ufo like on a bus stop level

2607
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,560
or a train stop on a regular schedule

2608
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:41,760
uh

2609
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,960
no

2610
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:44,719
it doesn't exist

2611
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,280
the data does not support that

2612
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:49,520
now i'm gonna i'm gonna pull up uh this

2613
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,920
next map let's see then we found it then

2614
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,599
we found the spikes

2615
01:52:57,750 --> 01:52:55,760
and that's that's the telling story now

2616
01:52:59,910 --> 01:52:57,760
that's zip codes there you go

2617
01:53:02,149 --> 01:52:59,920
this is zip codes and and take us

2618
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,159
through what we're looking at here okay

2619
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:05,040
the dark spots are uh the zip codes that

2620
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:07,280
reported ufos

2621
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:09,920
okay now it's weird because you look at

2622
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,440
a major state

2623
01:53:16,390 --> 01:53:13,360
even california

2624
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:16,400
that had 20 over 21 000 sightings in 20

2625
01:53:21,669 --> 01:53:18,719
years if you look at california there's

2626
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:21,679
still a lot of white real estate there

2627
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:23,360
where there isn't

2628
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,599
sightings reported

2629
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:26,719
okay

2630
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,719
and like i took new york state which is

2631
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,400
my home state and it's like a

2632
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,800
checkerboard square it's not square

2633
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,159
shape but it's like a checkerboard

2634
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,960
square uh here's a zip code here's a zip

2635
01:53:40,310 --> 01:53:38,480
code without one here's a zip code

2636
01:53:42,229 --> 01:53:40,320
here's a zip code without one you know

2637
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:42,239
it it was um

2638
01:53:45,669 --> 01:53:43,040
it's

2639
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:45,679
nothing even okay and i've had people

2640
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:48,400
trying to correlate these zip codes to

2641
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:51,280
nuclear power plants you know the

2642
01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:53,280
oak ridge tennessee developments that

2643
01:53:58,870 --> 01:53:56,719
type of thing and uh in some places yes

2644
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:58,880
most places know that the

2645
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:01,199
55 nuclear power plants in the united

2646
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,719
states they are not hot zones for ufos

2647
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:06,719
i've got their street addresses there's

2648
01:54:11,109 --> 01:54:09,440
an advocacy group about nuclear power i

2649
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:11,119
have their street addresses and zip

2650
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:13,920
codes and we did not find a predominance

2651
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:15,760
there that we would have found other

2652
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:16,880
places

2653
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:19,119
now what about uh

2654
01:54:24,070 --> 01:54:22,560
a time of a time of day in a 24-hour

2655
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:24,080
period

2656
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:25,520
okay

2657
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:30,480
from about uh five o'clock at night to

2658
01:54:36,149 --> 01:54:32,800
about 11 o'clock at night

2659
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:36,159
represents between 68 and 75 percent of

2660
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,239
the sightings in a single day

2661
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,040
from one o'clock in the morning to about

2662
01:54:46,870 --> 01:54:43,119
4 30 in the afternoon represents only

2663
01:54:51,990 --> 01:54:48,830
because people are in

2664
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,000
bed during well overnight okay from

2665
01:54:55,669 --> 01:54:53,920
midnight to about five o'clock in the

2666
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:55,679
morning there's usually a lot of states

2667
01:54:59,030 --> 01:54:57,280
you see a bump around

2668
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:59,040
in some rural states you see a bump

2669
01:55:03,910 --> 01:55:01,119
around three and then you'll see a big

2670
01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:03,920
bump around five uh we sort of equate

2671
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:05,679
that to people going out having a first

2672
01:55:09,990 --> 01:55:07,760
smoke taking the dog out first thing in

2673
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:10,000
the morning uh

2674
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:12,000
dusting the snow off the windshields you

2675
01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,159
know that kind of thing it's that early

2676
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:16,080
morning first bit of activity getting

2677
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,400
ahead of the trap in the rush hour but

2678
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,199
rush hour seven o'clock to about nine

2679
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:24,560
o'clock it is in the dirt

2680
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:27,040
it's as much about human activity as it

2681
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:30,400
is about the et's now i would also

2682
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:32,719
uh i want your thought on this

2683
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:35,760
is there a correlation

2684
01:55:41,350 --> 01:55:38,239
to the position of the sun

2685
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:41,360
that would reflect off of these objects

2686
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:42,239
so

2687
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:46,239
from you know sunset you know 5 p.m uh

2688
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:48,800
to 9 10 o'clock at night the sun is in a

2689
01:55:51,669 --> 01:55:49,920
relationship

2690
01:55:53,830 --> 01:55:51,679
something that could be reflecting off

2691
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,840
of we're not we're not finding that

2692
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:55,280
because um

2693
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:58,000
we've we find that i'll give an example

2694
01:56:03,030 --> 01:56:01,119
there are states that have like alaska

2695
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:03,040
it's daylight all the time in the summer

2696
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:04,639
time and their their sightings are in

2697
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:06,800
the toilet during the summer months oh

2698
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:08,719
no okay okay it's white it's white

2699
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:09,920
nights up there i've been in those

2700
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:12,719
higher latitudes it's it's white nights

2701
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:16,320
now um again what about

2702
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:17,440
the

2703
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:29,920
um so uh you know where people may be

2704
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,880
walking or looking down or driving

2705
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:34,560
but then

2706
01:56:38,550 --> 01:56:36,480
would that account for if they missed

2707
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:38,560
the sighting they missed society right

2708
01:56:43,270 --> 01:56:41,119
right and and we could say that if you

2709
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:43,280
have millions of people on the road and

2710
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:45,920
sightings are down uh maybe it's because

2711
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:48,080
they're not necessarily looking up at

2712
01:56:53,189 --> 01:56:50,159
the sky at that moment catch something

2713
01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:53,199
the key thing here is hours of darkness

2714
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:55,199
and leisure time

2715
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,920
okay figure okay uh

2716
01:57:02,790 --> 01:57:00,159
we noticed one with leisure time most

2717
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,800
most the leisure time seems to be on on

2718
01:57:06,470 --> 01:57:04,639
saturday night

2719
01:57:08,629 --> 01:57:06,480
okay chris i've had talk show hosts on

2720
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:08,639
the fm station saying oh that's when

2721
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:10,800
everybody gets drunk and stoned and they

2722
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,960
said yeah and people's drunken stone

2723
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:15,119
don't fill out ufo sighting rewards

2724
01:57:17,750 --> 01:57:16,719
because it's got the charm of a credit

2725
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:17,760
report

2726
01:57:22,830 --> 01:57:18,880
but uh

2727
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:22,840
but what you run up against is this

2728
01:57:27,669 --> 01:57:25,599
um i just lost a train of thought bear

2729
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:27,679
with me 70 years old it catches up with

2730
01:57:32,310 --> 01:57:30,480
you um the

2731
01:57:36,390 --> 01:57:32,320
we noticed that some of the southern

2732
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:36,400
states it was wednesday and thursday

2733
01:57:41,350 --> 01:57:38,560
we didn't understand it

2734
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:41,360
my spouse had some interns working for

2735
01:57:46,229 --> 01:57:44,480
her in her library

2736
01:57:47,750 --> 01:57:46,239
and they and they were a couple more

2737
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:47,760
from down south and he said well that's

2738
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:50,320
bible study night

2739
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:53,280
ah you've got to be outside

2740
01:57:56,390 --> 01:57:55,199
to see this and so somebody's coming in

2741
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:56,400
from bible study night and they're

2742
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,920
getting on the car hey honey look at

2743
01:58:01,990 --> 01:57:59,520
that you know

2744
01:58:03,990 --> 01:58:02,000
okay you got to be outside to see it and

2745
01:58:06,470 --> 01:58:04,000
it's got to be temperate weather

2746
01:58:07,270 --> 01:58:06,480
with a clear sky that kind of thing

2747
01:58:09,430 --> 01:58:07,280
um

2748
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:09,440
there is a correlation to

2749
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:12,400
pollution heavy pollution areas there's

2750
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:15,599
a huge uh correlation to earthquake

2751
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:17,920
zones

2752
01:58:23,109 --> 01:58:20,080
fault lines okay i got that from tom

2753
01:58:25,589 --> 01:58:23,119
conwell the uh paranormal researcher he

2754
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:25,599
took our data and plotted all that

2755
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,560
um

2756
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:29,199
there is a correlation to bodies of

2757
01:58:32,629 --> 01:58:30,719
water i'll give you an example people

2758
01:58:35,350 --> 01:58:32,639
said to me when our first book came out

2759
01:58:37,750 --> 01:58:35,360
they said hey how come texas has less

2760
01:58:40,229 --> 01:58:37,760
sightings than florida texas has twice

2761
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,239
the population that's that knee-jerk

2762
01:58:44,149 --> 01:58:42,400
saying it's all population

2763
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:44,159
but

2764
01:58:49,669 --> 01:58:46,560
florida has 1200 miles of coastline

2765
01:58:50,470 --> 01:58:49,679
texas has 400.

2766
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:50,480
okay

2767
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:52,159
check this out

2768
01:58:56,390 --> 01:58:53,760
i'm going to post this in front of you

2769
01:58:58,950 --> 01:58:56,400
you can read it hungry for mars says did

2770
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:58,960
sightings increase during covid due to

2771
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oh baby

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right yes

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okay or decrease

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01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:06,880
because they were not going outside no

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01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:09,119
no no no no no no

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01:59:15,030 --> 01:59:12,639
um a couple uh about a week or two

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i was on coast to coast with george nat

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01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:17,199
just as just as we were getting ready to

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01:59:21,270 --> 01:59:19,599
go into lockdown and i had talked about

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01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,280
this leisure time thing

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01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:23,280
and people started calling into the show

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01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,560
well we're getting ready to go into the

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lockdown you get this perfect

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national laboratory

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and at the end of may june time frame

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when we were able to get the numbers

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01:59:39,270 --> 01:59:36,159
from the reporting services the numbers

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01:59:42,550 --> 01:59:39,280
in march and april of 2020 were through

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people were on their back decks drinking

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playing horses in the backyard they

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if

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i've

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01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:55,920
i just want your answer we were getting

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drunk on the deck and balcony in our

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place you know

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i've always said

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if you you know for those well i've

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never seen a ufo well dude go outside

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and look up for a little bit that's all

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you got to do turn off the phone and go

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outside yeah you say that that is the

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case that no matter where you are in the

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country if you really want to have a ufo

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sighting just pay attention

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yeah no really i tell i tell people that

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all the time people tell me oh we don't

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have them around here i said tell you

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what go outside have your phone on mute

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02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:31,440
so it doesn't sit there and buzz you

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every five minutes and you're not

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looking down and just sit there and kind

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of want to

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gander at the sky for 30 minutes i

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guarantee you you will see something

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that doesn't look like an airplane let's

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take our break right here our guest

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today there's a reason for it well we're

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going to talk about that when we come

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back our guest tonight's gerald costa i

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am your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black tonight we're talking about

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the mythical

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daily ufo hot spot do you live in one

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well tonight you're gonna find out we'll

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight

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cyril costa

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numbers

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data

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the mythical daily ufo hot spot do you

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live in one that's that's the question

2973
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and uh now before we uh uh get back to

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it um i want to

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if i can i'm going to share

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you know california's got everything

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right

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um now if if we look at this map now

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we've we've talked enough about la

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county which is there in the black uh

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riverside county uh

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out to the east there joshua tree palm

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springs all of that stuff um a pretty

2984
02:08:26,310 --> 02:08:23,840
shockingly

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low number out there but that's not what

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02:08:32,470 --> 02:08:27,920
i'm interested in

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where they grow all the weed

2988
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:37,430
now now cheryl uh all kidding aside

2989
02:08:41,589 --> 02:08:39,520
here's san francisco

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um uh here

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02:08:53,030 --> 02:08:43,400
and

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02:08:54,550 --> 02:08:53,040
counties you know these weed counties

2993
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:54,560
these are very

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uh sparsely populated areas they really

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are

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and uh but look at these numbers

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02:09:13,030 --> 02:09:09,679
that are here 435 786 570 618 691 478.

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um how do you explain this now there's

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also the fault line that is there too as

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02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:16,239
well

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02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:18,480
uh the san andreas fault which i find

3002
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:20,960
very interesting but this is redwood

3003
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:24,400
country this is mountains um very

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sparsely populated but a huge amount of

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sightings here

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02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:30,960
okay all you also said it was weed

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counties okay

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02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:36,719
altered state of consciousness yep 100

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and now we're in the woo area

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02:09:41,350 --> 02:09:40,000
um

3011
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,360
tom conwell

3012
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:43,119
was plotting a bunch of this stuff and

3013
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:44,639
he came back to me and says you know

3014
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,639
something he says the ufos have the

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02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:48,480
ability to cloak themselves but they

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02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:51,119
seem to be showing themselves why

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and the best thing i could look at was

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what something one of my llamas told me

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when i lived in the buddhist monastery

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was

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um

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02:10:03,109 --> 02:10:01,119
peop there's tons of paranormal stuff

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going on around people but most people

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are walking around with this very narrow

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view of reality

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okay and until you expand something

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triggers you to expand your view of

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reality and wakes you up to something

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you might not be aware of it and

3030
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seeing a ufo how many people do we talk

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to say i saw one and it was like a

3032
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religious experience for them

3033
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okay so that's expanding your reality

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and you uh

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sometimes would i do not say i'm not

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recommending the drugs to expand your

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reality but

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there's a very good one it's redwood

3039
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:42,320
area it's it's darker there's very low

3040
02:10:46,709 --> 02:10:44,480
light pollution but there's probably a

3041
02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:46,719
lot of activity up there again we have

3042
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:49,360
this we have the fault lines and they're

3043
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:51,679
very interested in fault lines

3044
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:53,679
and guess where

3045
02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:56,400
that

3046
02:10:58,870 --> 02:10:57,440
um

3047
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:58,880
go ahead with your questions because i'm

3048
02:11:02,790 --> 02:11:00,639
going to tell you something really cool

3049
02:11:05,189 --> 02:11:02,800
about south carolina where they've been

3050
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:05,199
having lots of earthquakes lately well

3051
02:11:11,109 --> 02:11:06,079
uh

3052
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:11,119
looking at this map when you sent it to

3053
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:12,719
me a few days ago

3054
02:11:17,270 --> 02:11:15,520
um is is right here which is this is

3055
02:11:20,870 --> 02:11:17,280
mount shasta

3056
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:20,880
and it's a shockingly low number

3057
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:24,400
uh for this area i would have thought

3058
02:11:29,910 --> 02:11:27,520
that because that's that is in our

3059
02:11:33,270 --> 02:11:29,920
community that's uh that's a ufo hot

3060
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:33,280
spot but only 97 reported sightings i

3061
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:36,560
i'm just blown away sedona says they

3062
02:11:41,669 --> 02:11:39,280
have a hundred a night out there but

3063
02:11:44,870 --> 02:11:41,679
nobody reports them so they don't have

3064
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:44,880
huge numbers in the database now i was

3065
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:47,040
just in sedona

3066
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:49,440
okay i was just there

3067
02:11:56,629 --> 02:11:53,280
and i'm going to tell you straight up

3068
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:56,639
in 30 minutes we went up to the airport

3069
02:12:01,510 --> 02:12:00,079
uh in sedona which is on the top of uh a

3070
02:12:04,629 --> 02:12:01,520
hill a mountain

3071
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:04,639
and and went up there i'm not joking i i

3072
02:12:09,270 --> 02:12:06,560
didn't count

3073
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:09,280
i'm going to say 130 minutes

3074
02:12:13,990 --> 02:12:10,960
and and now

3075
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,000
my you know okay satellites and things

3076
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:16,000
okay all right i understand that i'm not

3077
02:12:20,790 --> 02:12:17,040
dumb

3078
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,800
but i did have a saucer sighting and it

3079
02:12:24,550 --> 02:12:22,239
was one of the first things that

3080
02:12:27,510 --> 02:12:24,560
happened cheryl on everything that i

3081
02:12:30,310 --> 02:12:27,520
love and i was with adrian valera

3082
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:30,320
um and we had a private tour with

3083
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:32,639
michael of sedona hello michael great

3084
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:33,520
dude

3085
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:35,679
so he takes us up there and and we're

3086
02:12:41,109 --> 02:12:38,400
getting our gear together and uh night

3087
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:41,119
vision i brought all my stuff and we

3088
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:42,800
just get up there

3089
02:12:47,109 --> 02:12:44,159
and

3090
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:47,119
on everything that i love now i'm facing

3091
02:12:53,430 --> 02:12:50,159
sedona sedona's below me

3092
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:53,440
over my left shoulder

3093
02:12:57,430 --> 02:12:55,280
um i don't know if it was adrian or

3094
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:57,440
michael goes oh man

3095
02:13:00,229 --> 02:12:59,199
look at that and i turn around and i

3096
02:13:01,510 --> 02:13:00,239
look and

3097
02:13:08,149 --> 02:13:01,520
low

3098
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:08,159
few thousand feet couple thousand feet

3099
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:10,880
uh above us not high

3100
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:12,000
white

3101
02:13:15,669 --> 02:13:14,639
saucer-like thing

3102
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:15,679
slow

3103
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:18,320
just goes right over i can see i'm

3104
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:22,320
looking at it and it flies right over us

3105
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:25,199
for like two minutes and keeps going and

3106
02:13:28,950 --> 02:13:27,440
then goes behind the trees on the other

3107
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:28,960
side of the valley

3108
02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:33,119
now i can't explain that that is one of

3109
02:13:36,149 --> 02:13:35,360
the difficult things

3110
02:13:38,069 --> 02:13:36,159
where

3111
02:13:40,790 --> 02:13:38,079
uh i know i'm not looking at a

3112
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:40,800
conventional craft number one i'm not

3113
02:13:44,629 --> 02:13:43,360
i'm not quick to say that this is

3114
02:13:47,189 --> 02:13:44,639
e.t

3115
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:47,199
i'm not saying any of that but this

3116
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:49,840
wasn't something up at 60 000 feet or

3117
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:52,639
100 000 feet and i'm looking at it with

3118
02:13:59,109 --> 02:13:54,000
night vision

3119
02:14:00,709 --> 02:13:59,119
we just got there and this thing flew at

3120
02:14:01,589 --> 02:14:00,719
an angle low

3121
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:01,599
just

3122
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:03,840
it was beautiful it was majestic so

3123
02:14:08,709 --> 02:14:06,159
that's a unique thing to have these the

3124
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:08,719
the low ones uh and the low ones and

3125
02:14:14,069 --> 02:14:12,480
slow ones okay um a watershed moment for

3126
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,079
me

3127
02:14:20,310 --> 02:14:16,480
this 2012

3128
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:20,320
uh i was working for a newspaper uh our

3129
02:14:24,470 --> 02:14:22,000
our technical department we made the

3130
02:14:27,030 --> 02:14:24,480
plates every night it was the print of

3131
02:14:29,030 --> 02:14:27,040
paper okay they were done on a big kind

3132
02:14:32,069 --> 02:14:29,040
of like a laser printer and things that

3133
02:14:33,910 --> 02:14:32,079
look like cookie sheets okay okay and

3134
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:33,920
it's photographic and lasers and all

3135
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:36,480
that kind of stuff all right so i used

3136
02:14:39,910 --> 02:14:37,840
to get home

3137
02:14:42,390 --> 02:14:39,920
once we got the plates up there short of

3138
02:14:43,990 --> 02:14:42,400
any kind of breakdowns once they start

3139
02:14:46,629 --> 02:14:44,000
running at 700

3140
02:14:48,709 --> 02:14:46,639
ton swiss press we're out of there in 80

3141
02:14:51,669 --> 02:14:48,719
or 90 minutes depending upon how big the

3142
02:14:54,790 --> 02:14:51,679
the addition is okay so i'm home about

3143
02:14:57,030 --> 02:14:54,800
three o'clock in the morning i put the

3144
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:57,040
car in the garage close the garage door

3145
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:58,239
and i used to

3146
02:15:03,430 --> 02:15:01,119
uh if it was a clear night i would stand

3147
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:03,440
there and look up at the big dipper

3148
02:15:08,870 --> 02:15:05,520
north of me okay

3149
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:08,880
and just ogle the stars kind of do that

3150
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,360
private little breathing meditation to

3151
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:13,760
kind of relax the stress of the thing

3152
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:15,760
and i'm sitting there looking at it and

3153
02:15:26,069 --> 02:15:23,189
humming throbbing sound

3154
02:15:28,629 --> 02:15:26,079
and then i noticed above me

3155
02:15:31,189 --> 02:15:28,639
the stars were blatting out

3156
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:31,199
oh man then i noticed that the stars

3157
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:34,320
were blotting out in a triangular way

3158
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:35,280
really

3159
02:15:42,550 --> 02:15:39,840
yeah when it got past me and over me

3160
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:42,560
i could see this thing was probably two

3161
02:15:47,750 --> 02:15:45,119
or three stories deep it had to be over

3162
02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:47,760
a football field long and it was flying

3163
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:51,360
along at about forty or leisurely 45 or

3164
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:54,079
50 miles an hour just going off to the

3165
02:15:57,990 --> 02:15:55,520
northwest

3166
02:16:00,310 --> 02:15:58,000
and it just floored me and the thing is

3167
02:16:02,790 --> 02:16:00,320
if you've ever seen the the the models

3168
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:02,800
or pictures that dave marlar said it was

3169
02:16:07,270 --> 02:16:04,880
it looked like that you know with the

3170
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:07,280
three the three glowy things on the back

3171
02:16:10,229 --> 02:16:08,960
and the red light on the bottom and the

3172
02:16:13,109 --> 02:16:10,239
whole thing

3173
02:16:15,430 --> 02:16:13,119
and it just blew my socks i went inside

3174
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:15,440
and i i sketched it in my journal that

3175
02:16:20,950 --> 02:16:18,800
type of thing times dates all this stuff

3176
02:16:22,950 --> 02:16:20,960
and i didn't report it because i was

3177
02:16:26,149 --> 02:16:22,960
afraid to be labeled a coup for

3178
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:26,159
reporting this thing i was i i had the

3179
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:27,360
the

3180
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:30,800
mufon

3181
02:16:35,429 --> 02:16:33,519
i i looked it up online i found it i i

3182
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:35,439
all i had to do was write out a report

3183
02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:36,559
and send it

3184
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:39,040
i was too paranoid to do so

3185
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:41,040
yeah i understand that

3186
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:44,479
something changed about three months

3187
02:16:49,030 --> 02:16:47,359
later this is in november three four

3188
02:16:50,629 --> 02:16:49,040
months later in november

3189
02:16:53,270 --> 02:16:50,639
november 12th

3190
02:16:56,469 --> 02:16:53,280
november 5th 2012

3191
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:56,479
we had just started to press

3192
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:58,639
i'm sitting back i pulled something up

3193
02:17:04,230 --> 02:17:02,319
on the on the web and i get cnn.com to

3194
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:04,240
just check news you know

3195
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:07,920
and over here is a little sidebar story

3196
02:17:14,150 --> 02:17:10,880
about 150 maybe 200 words

3197
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:14,160
ufos have been declining since the 1980s

3198
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:16,319
maybe they were always just an urban

3199
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:18,319
legend

3200
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:21,200
now remember i'm well-read enough to say

3201
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:23,679
that feels like misinformation

3202
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:24,800
you know

3203
02:17:30,469 --> 02:17:27,519
so for the first time in my life

3204
02:17:32,950 --> 02:17:30,479
that night i went out i found the

3205
02:17:35,110 --> 02:17:32,960
national ufo reporting center dug in a

3206
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:35,120
few pages back found some year-end

3207
02:17:41,270 --> 02:17:38,719
totals from like 1985 and and took the

3208
02:17:43,110 --> 02:17:41,280
numbers cropped them into a spreadsheet

3209
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:43,120
up to 2012

3210
02:17:47,910 --> 02:17:45,840
and hit the plot button

3211
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:47,920
now they were supposed to be declining

3212
02:17:51,030 --> 02:17:49,920
but the things went up like a rocket

3213
02:17:53,030 --> 02:17:51,040
right

3214
02:17:55,349 --> 02:17:53,040
and i said i sat there looking at this

3215
02:17:57,270 --> 02:17:55,359
thing and said what memos didn't the

3216
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:57,280
ufos get

3217
02:18:00,950 --> 02:17:59,040
right right right right right and you

3218
02:18:03,669 --> 02:18:00,960
write about disinformation and i

3219
02:18:05,509 --> 02:18:03,679
remember reading uh all of that and it

3220
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:05,519
really hasn't stopped

3221
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:12,080
and the uh the other part to this uh the

3222
02:18:16,469 --> 02:18:15,040
black triangle i haven't had well no

3223
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:16,479
that's not true

3224
02:18:21,509 --> 02:18:19,359
i photographed a black triangle

3225
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:21,519
but i didn't know it was a black

3226
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,240
triangle until i got the the picture

3227
02:18:28,389 --> 02:18:26,800
developed it was actually on film okay

3228
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:28,399
so i've got the negative i've got the

3229
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,760
original print

3230
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:30,880
but i didn't know it was a black

3231
02:18:34,150 --> 02:18:32,479
triangle at the time it was just a black

3232
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:34,160
dot moving across the sky i get the

3233
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:36,479
print put my jeweler's loop on it holy

3234
02:18:39,990 --> 02:18:39,120
crap right okay there you go but that

3235
02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:40,000
but

3236
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:42,960
the black triangle sighting

3237
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:44,880
i haven't had one yet

3238
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:47,679
and and i'm here i'm i'm here in black

3239
02:18:52,549 --> 02:18:49,840
triangle city right

3240
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:52,559
so i'm wondering

3241
02:18:56,950 --> 02:18:55,040
what i'm gonna do when when i have uh

3242
02:18:58,709 --> 02:18:56,960
the black triangle sighting i'm looking

3243
02:19:02,629 --> 02:18:58,719
forward to it it's gonna happen

3244
02:19:05,110 --> 02:19:02,639
eventually i hope i photograph it but no

3245
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:05,120
no you'll have the shock and awful trust

3246
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:08,080
me you'll be just totally caught up in

3247
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:11,120
it trust me i know i know well okay i'm

3248
02:19:14,389 --> 02:19:12,479
going to share this with you i've told

3249
02:19:16,870 --> 02:19:14,399
the story many times on the air so i'm

3250
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:16,880
going to give you the abridged version

3251
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:20,240
um when i was house shopping um i came

3252
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,639
into town i'm meeting my realtor

3253
02:19:26,469 --> 02:19:24,800
and i'm meeting my realtor on sunday and

3254
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:26,479
it's saturday night

3255
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:27,280
and

3256
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:29,519
uh i come out of the hotel about 10

3257
02:19:35,190 --> 02:19:32,960
o'clock and i want a burger i you know

3258
02:19:36,150 --> 02:19:35,200
wanted in and out or burger king or

3259
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,160
something

3260
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:38,000
and i'm standing out in the parking lot

3261
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,319
this is in north lancaster

3262
02:19:45,589 --> 02:19:42,559
and i'm like

3263
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:45,599
edwards is right there

3264
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:47,359
i'll get the burger in a minute let's

3265
02:19:53,030 --> 02:19:49,760
drive over to edwards so i jump in the

3266
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:53,040
jeep and i take off and i got my gps and

3267
02:19:58,710 --> 02:19:54,399
i follow

3268
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:58,720
i find what is the closest street

3269
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:01,200
and i drive to it uh

3270
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:03,439
i don't know 10 miles away or something

3271
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,359
but what i didn't realize was that i was

3272
02:20:09,190 --> 02:20:07,280
in the middle of the desert but i didn't

3273
02:20:11,830 --> 02:20:09,200
you know i don't know these things at

3274
02:20:13,990 --> 02:20:11,840
that time i know them now but i so i

3275
02:20:17,429 --> 02:20:14,000
drive and i drive until the street

3276
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:17,439
t-bones and i can see the gps i can see

3277
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:20,000
to my left i can see edward's lit up

3278
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:21,680
it's 10 o'clock at night i pull the jeep

3279
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:23,920
over in the middle of the desert park it

3280
02:20:28,070 --> 02:20:26,479
go across the street and i stand there

3281
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,080
next to the fence with all of those

3282
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:30,319
trespassing signs that we were talking

3283
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:31,600
about earlier

3284
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,319
and uh that i showed you

3285
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:36,880
and uh i'm standing there and this is

3286
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:39,359
what happened cheryl

3287
02:20:43,349 --> 02:20:40,960
this is it

3288
02:20:45,830 --> 02:20:43,359
it's the craziest thing ever

3289
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:45,840
i'm standing there got my phone to my

3290
02:20:48,230 --> 02:20:46,880
side

3291
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:48,240
talking about getting caught up in the

3292
02:20:51,429 --> 02:20:49,200
moment

3293
02:20:53,030 --> 02:20:51,439
and i'm looking at edwards it's right in

3294
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,040
front of me i can see it lit up in the

3295
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:54,640
darkness

3296
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:57,520
and then it's the night sky it's black

3297
02:21:00,710 --> 02:20:58,560
above

3298
02:21:01,510 --> 02:21:00,720
and like 10 degrees

3299
02:21:04,950 --> 02:21:01,520
up

3300
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:04,960
i see this like static on a tv

3301
02:21:08,870 --> 02:21:06,640
out in the distance i'm like wow that

3302
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:08,880
looks kind of weird it's black and white

3303
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:10,880
static just like

3304
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:13,680
the old days right okay

3305
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:16,640
and uh and then as i kind of look at it

3306
02:21:19,990 --> 02:21:17,680
and i'm thinking wow that's kind of

3307
02:21:22,950 --> 02:21:20,000
weird right above edwards it goes just

3308
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,349
a ring of lights one time

3309
02:21:28,150 --> 02:21:26,880
lights up the bottom

3310
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:28,160
goes black

3311
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:30,800
it's the night sky i'm like wow

3312
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:33,280
all right that's kind of cool and as i'm

3313
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:35,120
standing there for a minute

3314
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:38,399
it starts up again the stat

3315
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:40,880
and this ring of light is you know just

3316
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:46,469
black gone

3317
02:21:52,230 --> 02:21:49,520
now i get out my phone cheryl i'm like

3318
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,240
video okay man let's go

3319
02:21:56,150 --> 02:21:54,640
nothing 20 minutes i stand there in the

3320
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,160
dark

3321
02:21:59,510 --> 02:21:58,080
and uh nothing happen i get back in the

3322
02:22:03,190 --> 02:21:59,520
jeep i'm driving back and thinking well

3323
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:03,200
what was that so uh the next day

3324
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:05,680
uh the next morning i wake up i have

3325
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:07,520
breakfast and i go back out front of the

3326
02:22:11,670 --> 02:22:09,200
hotel and

3327
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:11,680
i'm like man there's edwards

3328
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:14,560
let's drive back so i drive back and i

3329
02:22:19,830 --> 02:22:18,000
go to that exact spot i see my car tire

3330
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:19,840
tracks in the dirt

3331
02:22:24,790 --> 02:22:21,840
and i pull over i go across the street

3332
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:24,800
and there is my footprints from the

3333
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,399
night before

3334
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:29,359
and i'm standing there and now i see

3335
02:22:33,910 --> 02:22:31,920
in front of me the fence line of edwards

3336
02:22:36,309 --> 02:22:33,920
with those no trespassing signs i didn't

3337
02:22:39,190 --> 02:22:36,319
see the night before um i was in the

3338
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:39,200
dark but now i'm i'm at the fence line

3339
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:41,520
of edwards i'm looking at the base and

3340
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:44,560
what i was expecting to see was

3341
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:47,359
something on the top of radio towers or

3342
02:22:51,590 --> 02:22:49,920
or something there was nothing there i'm

3343
02:22:53,510 --> 02:22:51,600
looking i can see the mountains and i

3344
02:22:55,429 --> 02:22:53,520
can see the blue sky

3345
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:55,439
but there was nothing

3346
02:22:59,349 --> 02:22:57,439
in that nothing

3347
02:23:01,830 --> 02:22:59,359
you know and i'm like okay

3348
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:01,840
there was something above edwards uh the

3349
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:03,040
night before

3350
02:23:06,389 --> 02:23:04,560
didn't i didn't get a chance to

3351
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:06,399
videotape i didn't i got all caught up

3352
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:08,240
in the moment i didn't think it only

3353
02:23:11,180 --> 02:23:10,640
lasted the two incidents

3354
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:11,190
um

3355
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:13,280
[Music]

3356
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:16,399
three seconds maybe five seconds each

3357
02:23:19,990 --> 02:23:17,600
that was it

3358
02:23:22,790 --> 02:23:20,000
um did i report this

3359
02:23:24,230 --> 02:23:22,800
nope no i did not i didn't call peter

3360
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:24,240
davenport

3361
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:27,760
i probably should have but what i saw

3362
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:30,399
above edwards that night i am here to

3363
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:31,600
tell you

3364
02:23:36,309 --> 02:23:33,439
that this kind of stuff goes on out here

3365
02:23:37,590 --> 02:23:36,319
all the time i don't know what it was i

3366
02:23:43,110 --> 02:23:37,600
i don't

3367
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:43,120
it wasn't i was thinking it was like

3368
02:23:47,429 --> 02:23:45,040
lights on top of a tower for the

3369
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:47,439
airplanes or something but going out

3370
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,960
there the next day a couple of weeks

3371
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:50,399
later i went out there with a friend of

3372
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,960
mine he wanted to see the spot

3373
02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,560
and

3374
02:23:59,349 --> 02:23:57,040
there's no towers there's nothing there

3375
02:24:01,590 --> 02:23:59,359
there is just blue sky

3376
02:24:02,630 --> 02:24:01,600
crazy i don't know i don't know i don't

3377
02:24:05,590 --> 02:24:02,640
know

3378
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:05,600
one quick one there was a

3379
02:24:10,230 --> 02:24:08,080
about three years ago linda and i have

3380
02:24:11,750 --> 02:24:10,240
access to a um

3381
02:24:14,870 --> 02:24:11,760
cottage

3382
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:14,880
up on the um uh

3383
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:17,359
st lawrence thousand island region

3384
02:24:24,309 --> 02:24:20,479
northern new york right up by canada

3385
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,319
and we had one of those events

3386
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:26,880
about three years ago

3387
02:24:33,110 --> 02:24:30,479
it's just it was just before we uh

3388
02:24:35,349 --> 02:24:33,120
we're going into all this lockdown crap

3389
02:24:38,389 --> 02:24:35,359
and we looked over at the canadian side

3390
02:24:41,190 --> 02:24:38,399
now the bedroom in this cottage is a

3391
02:24:43,510 --> 02:24:41,200
storefront type window

3392
02:24:45,429 --> 02:24:43,520
okay it's that big

3393
02:24:46,950 --> 02:24:45,439
and it was just we were just sort of in

3394
02:24:51,110 --> 02:24:46,960
the sunset thing and we were looking at

3395
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:51,120
the sunset and linda said oh my gosh

3396
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:52,720
there is a wedge

3397
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:55,040
and what she meant was a boomerang and

3398
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:56,640
it's like we're you know we're talking

3399
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:58,880
something like that you know the the the

3400
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:00,960
kind of boomerang shape thing with the

3401
02:25:05,429 --> 02:25:03,040
lights along the bottom the classic one

3402
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:05,439
is the one in stefansville down in texas

3403
02:25:08,309 --> 02:25:07,040
you know with the string of lights on it

3404
02:25:09,349 --> 02:25:08,319
okay

3405
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:09,359
and

3406
02:25:13,349 --> 02:25:12,000
it wasn't like we had 15 seconds with

3407
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:13,359
this thing

3408
02:25:18,309 --> 02:25:16,240
and the only piece of paper i had was my

3409
02:25:21,429 --> 02:25:18,319
diabetic log book and i'm sitting there

3410
02:25:24,550 --> 02:25:21,439
drawing this thing in the middle of my

3411
02:25:27,910 --> 02:25:24,560
vlog book time date angle all this stuff

3412
02:25:30,950 --> 02:25:27,920
you know um but this stuff changes you

3413
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:30,960
so but can we talk about these um spike

3414
02:25:35,910 --> 02:25:34,240
days yeah yeah and and real quick uh

3415
02:25:39,510 --> 02:25:35,920
we're gonna go right there

3416
02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:39,520
um somebody just posted over on twitter

3417
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:41,920
where can they have access to the zip

3418
02:25:46,389 --> 02:25:43,439
code data that we're talking about

3419
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,399
tonight it's not published yet uh we

3420
02:25:50,309 --> 02:25:48,240
will be publishing uh what we're getting

3421
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:50,319
ready to publish in fact uh right this

3422
02:25:55,030 --> 02:25:52,720
minute behind me uh you probably can't

3423
02:25:56,230 --> 02:25:55,040
see it probably down under the corner

3424
02:25:58,230 --> 02:25:56,240
here

3425
02:26:00,950 --> 02:25:58,240
let's see if i can swivel the chair you

3426
02:26:02,790 --> 02:26:00,960
probably can't see it now there's a

3427
02:26:04,950 --> 02:26:02,800
table back

3428
02:26:06,550 --> 02:26:04,960
there you go see that paper there just

3429
02:26:09,830 --> 02:26:06,560
underneath the microphone

3430
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:09,840
it's hiding a heidelberg press okay no

3431
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:10,640
no

3432
02:26:15,610 --> 02:26:14,640
uh the entire he came here

3433
02:26:16,870 --> 02:26:15,620
okay

3434
02:26:19,510 --> 02:26:16,880
[Music]

3435
02:26:22,550 --> 02:26:19,520
let's see can you see ah there you go

3436
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:22,560
see over there see all that paper laying

3437
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:23,359
there

3438
02:26:27,510 --> 02:26:25,920
that is the entire manuscript remember i

3439
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:27,520
told you we turned the living room into

3440
02:26:34,230 --> 02:26:32,080
a a publishing house okay we've got two

3441
02:26:36,550 --> 02:26:34,240
six-foot church table strapped together

3442
02:26:38,389 --> 02:26:36,560
with bungee cords there yeah i see that

3443
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:38,399
i see that all right

3444
02:26:42,070 --> 02:26:39,439
before we

3445
02:26:46,550 --> 02:26:42,080
lost my headset go ahead

3446
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,560
you do that i am going to do this

3447
02:26:52,469 --> 02:26:49,120
and here i just want to go over this

3448
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:52,479
really quick this is ufo by states zip

3449
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:55,600
code uh 2001 to 2000. that's zip code

3450
02:27:00,150 --> 02:26:56,560
this is

3451
02:27:02,550 --> 02:27:00,160
ranked bony by state and volume

3452
02:27:04,950 --> 02:27:02,560
oh this is state and volume.zip codes

3453
02:27:06,389 --> 02:27:04,960
okay i bad but

3454
02:27:09,030 --> 02:27:06,399
here's where we're going with this thing

3455
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:09,040
over here in the table we're we we could

3456
02:27:12,870 --> 02:27:11,040
never go down to the zip code level

3457
02:27:15,750 --> 02:27:12,880
because if we did it for all 50 states

3458
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:15,760
and one book it would be 6500 pages and

3459
02:27:20,630 --> 02:27:18,479
a foot and a half two feet thick sure so

3460
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:20,640
um what we decided to do is we're in a

3461
02:27:26,550 --> 02:27:23,680
process of literally building 50

3462
02:27:29,030 --> 02:27:26,560
individual state books with detail down

3463
02:27:30,469 --> 02:27:29,040
to the zip code level yeah we were

3464
02:27:32,790 --> 02:27:30,479
talking about that the last time you

3465
02:27:35,270 --> 02:27:32,800
were on the show last year and and how

3466
02:27:36,870 --> 02:27:35,280
big of a project that actually is and

3467
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:36,880
that's the only way it can be done you

3468
02:27:41,429 --> 02:27:39,120
have to do an individual edition well

3469
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:41,439
what we've done is we've got um a

3470
02:27:45,910 --> 02:27:43,520
template the written sections template

3471
02:27:48,469 --> 02:27:45,920
right now except for some one or two

3472
02:27:50,630 --> 02:27:48,479
about six customized pages we have to

3473
02:27:52,309 --> 02:27:50,640
stick into it pdfs okay remember we're

3474
02:27:54,790 --> 02:27:52,319
not doing this thing in word

3475
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:54,800
and then at the end of the book we we

3476
02:27:59,910 --> 02:27:56,880
generate the tables by county we

3477
02:28:01,910 --> 02:27:59,920
generate the tables by by zip code and

3478
02:28:05,030 --> 02:28:01,920
we have one master table there that is

3479
02:28:07,510 --> 02:28:05,040
done by county zip for that state county

3480
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:07,520
zip code municipality and the shapes

3481
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:09,840
over 20 years that that that location

3482
02:28:14,550 --> 02:28:12,560
had and uh

3483
02:28:17,750 --> 02:28:14,560
california's gonna be a nasty book it's

3484
02:28:19,190 --> 02:28:17,760
gonna be about six six hundred pages but

3485
02:28:21,429 --> 02:28:19,200
everything else

3486
02:28:23,030 --> 02:28:21,439
depending upon the state is going to be

3487
02:28:24,710 --> 02:28:23,040
averaging two or three hundred pages

3488
02:28:27,270 --> 02:28:24,720
it's going to be affordable

3489
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:27,280
so you have washington d.c here so it's

3490
02:28:33,270 --> 02:28:30,720
broken down uh 50 states plus dc and

3491
02:28:34,790 --> 02:28:33,280
we're not going to do a book on dc okay

3492
02:28:39,429 --> 02:28:34,800
and

3493
02:28:42,550 --> 02:28:39,439
with that magical number of 167 167 000

3494
02:28:44,389 --> 02:28:42,560
uh 632

3495
02:28:46,790 --> 02:28:44,399
california being number one florida

3496
02:28:48,630 --> 02:28:46,800
texas washington new york pennsylvania

3497
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:48,640
arizona ohio

3498
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:51,920
michigan illinois colorado

3499
02:28:57,349 --> 02:28:53,680
that's that's strange that illinois

3500
02:29:01,110 --> 02:28:57,359
would be ahead of colorado and and ohio

3501
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:01,120
uh being ahead of of colorado

3502
02:29:06,309 --> 02:29:03,840
where do we get to the spikes because um

3503
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,319
you're going to see some uranus it's the

3504
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:08,479
this the places where the most spike

3505
02:29:12,710 --> 02:29:09,920
settings and we have to explain what

3506
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:12,720
that is real quick but where they are

3507
02:29:17,190 --> 02:29:15,120
it completely upends this except for

3508
02:29:19,990 --> 02:29:17,200
california okay so we're gonna have to

3509
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:20,000
do that in in the next break uh in the

3510
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:22,880
next section uh cheryl there's no way

3511
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:26,080
that we're ending this conversation now

3512
02:29:29,750 --> 02:29:27,760
we are going into overtime that's the

3513
02:29:33,030 --> 02:29:29,760
only way to do it okay we can do that

3514
02:29:35,030 --> 02:29:33,040
yeah thank you so much and uh so let you

3515
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:35,040
know what i'm gonna take a a break 30

3516
02:29:39,030 --> 02:29:37,040
seconds early let's get straight to it

3517
02:29:42,950 --> 02:29:39,040
because when we come back

3518
02:29:45,429 --> 02:29:42,960
we will be in overtime tonight with

3519
02:29:48,790 --> 02:29:45,439
cheryl costa and tonight we're gonna go

3520
02:29:50,950 --> 02:29:48,800
through the spike information and uh

3521
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:50,960
when we come back after this break the

3522
02:29:54,630 --> 02:29:53,520
thing is this um cheryl reached out to

3523
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:54,640
me

3524
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:57,840
and uh she goes jimmy this this data

3525
02:30:01,429 --> 02:29:59,920
that we have put together over this last

3526
02:30:03,750 --> 02:30:01,439
couple of weeks

3527
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:03,760
we've got to do a show on this but i

3528
02:30:06,469 --> 02:30:04,960
knew that we'd be talking about

3529
02:30:09,190 --> 02:30:06,479
everything else tonight so tonight when

3530
02:30:11,990 --> 02:30:09,200
we when we come back it's overtime and

3531
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:12,000
we're gonna go through the spikes this

3532
02:30:14,950 --> 02:30:13,840
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

3533
02:30:18,230 --> 02:30:14,960
church

3534
02:30:20,500 --> 02:30:18,240
we'll be right back

3535
02:30:27,080 --> 02:30:20,510
um

3536
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:27,090
[Music]

3537
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:28,370
[Applause]

3538
02:30:39,990 --> 02:30:38,469
you're listening to jimmy church and

3539
02:30:45,030 --> 02:30:40,000
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3540
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02:35:34,950 --> 02:35:32,319
cheryl costa with us tonight we're going

3640
02:35:37,270 --> 02:35:34,960
into overtime tonight and

3641
02:35:39,429 --> 02:35:37,280
i got to tell you uh

3642
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:39,439
we got to do this once a month i mean

3643
02:35:44,150 --> 02:35:41,760
let's put it let's just put it on the

3644
02:35:47,190 --> 02:35:44,160
calendar and then circle the date and

3645
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:47,200
and get this up and and and and do this

3646
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:49,520
once a month i'm having so much fun i

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02:35:53,429 --> 02:35:50,880
love data

3648
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:53,439
um now i just went and looked we're

3649
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:55,520
going to go into these spikes and i was

3650
02:35:59,910 --> 02:35:58,479
looking at california and specifically

3651
02:36:02,150 --> 02:35:59,920
um 11

3652
02:36:05,990 --> 02:36:02,160
7 2015.

3653
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:06,000
and i remember that day i saw it myself

3654
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:07,040
um

3655
02:36:14,550 --> 02:36:13,670
my phone my my uh

3656
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,560
uh

3657
02:36:18,950 --> 02:36:16,319
cousin-in-law brother-in-law whatever

3658
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:18,960
calls me up dude are you looking at this

3659
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:20,880
and i had my back to it i was at

3660
02:36:25,349 --> 02:36:23,840
universal studios that night uh having

3661
02:36:27,429 --> 02:36:25,359
dinner with friends

3662
02:36:31,110 --> 02:36:27,439
and uh driving home when the sighting

3663
02:36:33,750 --> 02:36:31,120
happened and and my phone is blowing up

3664
02:36:36,070 --> 02:36:33,760
cheryl on everything that i love my back

3665
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:36,080
was to it i was on the freeway and was

3666
02:36:39,910 --> 02:36:37,520
like what are you looking at what do you

3667
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,920
mean man

3668
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:41,600
look outside

3669
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:44,319
and uh and and this lit up everything

3670
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:45,200
okay

3671
02:36:51,270 --> 02:36:47,920
so i i saw this in your charts and i had

3672
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:51,280
to go back and look at 11 7 and the big

3673
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,000
blue sighting uh was that was that

3674
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:56,960
evening seen all over the state of uh

3675
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:00,720
california okay spikes what have you got

3676
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:04,560
okay the way this works is um

3677
02:37:08,309 --> 02:37:05,520
there's

3678
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:08,319
going back and refresh on this thing 7

3679
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:12,800
303 days per state okay and you probably

3680
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:14,880
got a chart there you can pull up

3681
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:19,359
the majority of the um days

3682
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:21,040
within let's say a month or something

3683
02:37:27,030 --> 02:37:23,680
like that for any location zip code

3684
02:37:29,349 --> 02:37:27,040
state county whatever are mostly empty

3685
02:37:31,670 --> 02:37:29,359
okay and your sightings are onesie

3686
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,680
twosies

3687
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:33,760
occasionally a threesies

3688
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:36,640
okay so i'll go ahead and show everybody

3689
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:38,640
uh what cheryl's talking about so this

3690
02:37:42,150 --> 02:37:39,439
is

3691
02:37:44,070 --> 02:37:42,160
uh california um

3692
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:44,080
and you can see la county here but you

3693
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:46,000
can see what she's uh cheryl is

3694
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:47,120
referencing

3695
02:37:52,070 --> 02:37:49,359
uh mostly blank

3696
02:37:54,870 --> 02:37:52,080
uh and ones and twosies uh this is

3697
02:37:57,429 --> 02:37:54,880
eleven seven the big blue sighting that

3698
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:57,439
i was talking about exactly exactly

3699
02:38:00,630 --> 02:37:58,960
okay so go ahead

3700
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:00,640
okay so

3701
02:38:05,910 --> 02:38:03,520
what an occasional threesies okay but

3702
02:38:07,030 --> 02:38:05,920
what was statistically significant were

3703
02:38:08,790 --> 02:38:07,040
fours

3704
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:08,800
okay they were rare

3705
02:38:13,750 --> 02:38:09,600
but

3706
02:38:15,990 --> 02:38:13,760
along the line i was looking i'd be

3707
02:38:17,990 --> 02:38:16,000
working with the data and i'd see one

3708
02:38:24,790 --> 02:38:18,000
day

3709
02:38:28,150 --> 02:38:24,800
how i saw this you'd plot out a year's

3710
02:38:29,270 --> 02:38:28,160
worth of data for for for the um for the

3711
02:38:32,389 --> 02:38:29,280
state

3712
02:38:34,550 --> 02:38:32,399
okay and you do it as a bar chart and so

3713
02:38:36,389 --> 02:38:34,560
it's a whole bunch of static lines going

3714
02:38:38,150 --> 02:38:36,399
across and most of them are sitting at

3715
02:38:40,630 --> 02:38:38,160
about 20 for the na and you do it

3716
02:38:41,990 --> 02:38:40,640
nationally it's about 23 per day and

3717
02:38:43,750 --> 02:38:42,000
there's some little spikes up and down

3718
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,760
there's a little few more and every now

3719
02:38:48,389 --> 02:38:45,920
and then out of that noise you'll see

3720
02:38:51,030 --> 02:38:48,399
you'll see something go like that

3721
02:38:53,190 --> 02:38:51,040
so you go back in there you hover over

3722
02:38:55,030 --> 02:38:53,200
it and it will tell you what year and it

3723
02:38:57,670 --> 02:38:55,040
will tell you what day

3724
02:39:00,150 --> 02:38:57,680
okay so we go back into the data we do a

3725
02:39:02,469 --> 02:39:00,160
breakout report and usually when you do

3726
02:39:03,270 --> 02:39:02,479
the breakout report what you get is

3727
02:39:04,150 --> 02:39:03,280
maybe

3728
02:39:06,710 --> 02:39:04,160
you know

3729
02:39:08,870 --> 02:39:06,720
30 or 30 states suddenly instead of the

3730
02:39:10,309 --> 02:39:08,880
four or five states 30 states had

3731
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:10,319
sightings and they were on the onesie

3732
02:39:14,950 --> 02:39:12,880
twosies threesies okay

3733
02:39:17,590 --> 02:39:14,960
but one say i'll give an example april

3734
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:17,600
16th 2008

3735
02:39:23,349 --> 02:39:20,880
indiana okay indiana is a state that has

3736
02:39:24,389 --> 02:39:23,359
about two sightings per week

3737
02:39:28,070 --> 02:39:24,399
okay

3738
02:39:29,190 --> 02:39:28,080
that particular day on april 16 2008

3739
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:29,200
they had

3740
02:39:33,670 --> 02:39:31,600
when we looked at the the national chart

3741
02:39:36,150 --> 02:39:33,680
jumped up to 60 sightings so we went in

3742
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:36,160
to break out everything's onesie twozies

3743
02:39:39,910 --> 02:39:38,880
and to get into indiana they had 25 that

3744
02:39:42,150 --> 02:39:39,920
day

3745
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:42,160
okay so there's a lot of these what

3746
02:39:47,830 --> 02:39:44,960
we're going to call one day once in a

3747
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,840
blue moon kind of boom there's all these

3748
02:39:52,870 --> 02:39:50,479
sightings but we had no quick easy way

3749
02:39:53,750 --> 02:39:52,880
to find it in the data

3750
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:53,760
okay

3751
02:39:58,950 --> 02:39:56,319
and then a couple of months ago i sat

3752
02:40:00,950 --> 02:39:58,960
down and i said i've got to solve this

3753
02:40:03,429 --> 02:40:00,960
again i was taking a break from the book

3754
02:40:05,349 --> 02:40:03,439
from working on the the individual state

3755
02:40:08,630 --> 02:40:05,359
books the individual state books are

3756
02:40:11,429 --> 02:40:08,640
going to be called like in ohio uh ufo

3757
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:11,439
uh ohio ufos in ohio and where to find

3758
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:13,359
them okay and all the books will be

3759
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:16,960
named like that for their states okay

3760
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:19,760
so i was going through and i ended up

3761
02:40:24,790 --> 02:40:21,920
hitting on the idea of putting

3762
02:40:27,750 --> 02:40:24,800
selecting a single state

3763
02:40:31,030 --> 02:40:27,760
putting the putting the years across the

3764
02:40:32,110 --> 02:40:31,040
top okay 2001 to 2020 and then i

3765
02:40:35,590 --> 02:40:32,120
generated

3766
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:35,600
365 days down the left-hand side of the

3767
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:36,640
screen

3768
02:40:42,070 --> 02:40:38,399
of the page okay

3769
02:40:45,349 --> 02:40:42,080
and what that gate and what that gave me

3770
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:45,359
uh and i asked i ran also with the 365

3771
02:40:50,710 --> 02:40:48,640
days i put i turned on zip codes

3772
02:40:52,150 --> 02:40:50,720
and as you'd go down through it was

3773
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:52,160
mostly white

3774
02:40:55,429 --> 02:40:53,760
you know you put a grid you put grid

3775
02:40:57,510 --> 02:40:55,439
stuff on it's mostly white and there's

3776
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:57,520
woodsy twos these all over the place and

3777
02:41:02,790 --> 02:40:59,760
then what what you would see

3778
02:41:04,469 --> 02:41:02,800
is boom uh you see something

3779
02:41:06,389 --> 02:41:04,479
uh over a certain number so i would

3780
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:06,399
program this thing and i brought the

3781
02:41:10,389 --> 02:41:08,960
database down into a spreadsheet and put

3782
02:41:12,309 --> 02:41:10,399
it in spreadsheet and turn on this

3783
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:12,319
comparator feature which allows you to

3784
02:41:19,190 --> 02:41:16,399
say anything above three make it red

3785
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:19,200
boom there they were now i had to scroll

3786
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:21,920
down and look at all of these and i did

3787
02:41:25,910 --> 02:41:24,399
this for every single state it took me

3788
02:41:29,269 --> 02:41:25,920
five weeks

3789
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:29,279
every day sitting there scrolling to 365

3790
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:31,920
days over 20 years across the top of the

3791
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:34,240
page okay and then all these things were

3792
02:41:38,870 --> 02:41:37,359
marked out so i would get them i'd cut

3793
02:41:41,429 --> 02:41:38,880
cut and paste them up something it

3794
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:41,439
turned out out of

3795
02:41:46,550 --> 02:41:43,600
146

3796
02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:46,560
sixty days of 50 states

3797
02:41:51,349 --> 02:41:48,880
20 years uh it turned out that there

3798
02:41:55,469 --> 02:41:51,359
were 700 about i'm going to say this

3799
02:41:59,190 --> 02:41:55,479
number soft between about 100

3800
02:42:01,910 --> 02:41:59,200
725 to 737

3801
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,920
of these one day spikes

3802
02:42:06,309 --> 02:42:04,080
some of them as little as four some of

3803
02:42:09,030 --> 02:42:06,319
them sitting six seven eight ten there's

3804
02:42:12,550 --> 02:42:09,040
a couple of them there twenty or thirty

3805
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:12,560
okay that one day in california 200

3806
02:42:17,750 --> 02:42:15,840
that kind of thing you know so

3807
02:42:20,469 --> 02:42:17,760
so this is telling us something now have

3808
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:20,479
i had time to break those out no i have

3809
02:42:25,030 --> 02:42:23,680
not i plan to okay but i've got some

3810
02:42:26,950 --> 02:42:25,040
interns

3811
02:42:29,590 --> 02:42:26,960
i reached out to one of the groups of

3812
02:42:31,830 --> 02:42:29,600
boards i'm on on facebook and i said

3813
02:42:34,309 --> 02:42:31,840
anybody got a lot of time on their hands

3814
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:34,319
and would like to do some unpaid uh

3815
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:37,359
intern work and this is this you'll get

3816
02:42:40,469 --> 02:42:38,960
an acknowledgement in this book we're

3817
02:42:42,870 --> 02:42:40,479
going to do linda and i decided we're

3818
02:42:43,830 --> 02:42:42,880
going to do a book about the hot spots

3819
02:42:46,230 --> 02:42:43,840
okay

3820
02:42:48,710 --> 02:42:46,240
and nothing but the hot spots

3821
02:42:51,830 --> 02:42:48,720
and uh what i needed to know was how

3822
02:42:54,950 --> 02:42:51,840
much press that hot spot got

3823
02:42:57,349 --> 02:42:54,960
okay if it got any right

3824
02:42:59,190 --> 02:42:57,359
okay so i gave them date i gave each

3825
02:43:01,349 --> 02:42:59,200
person about 10 dates

3826
02:43:02,309 --> 02:43:01,359
in a year and they went out there and

3827
02:43:03,750 --> 02:43:02,319
they would

3828
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:03,760
put it in like google or something like

3829
02:43:07,510 --> 02:43:05,520
this and it would come up and all i was

3830
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:07,520
interested in if you see a newspaper

3831
02:43:12,230 --> 02:43:09,760
article or tv station or a radio station

3832
02:43:14,469 --> 02:43:12,240
report grab that grab the title of the

3833
02:43:16,630 --> 02:43:14,479
report and the url that's all i want to

3834
02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:16,640
know and put it with the particular

3835
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:18,800
string i gave you okay and that's what

3836
02:43:22,950 --> 02:43:21,279
they're doing 700 of them six or seven

3837
02:43:24,630 --> 02:43:22,960
people i got working for me are going to

3838
02:43:26,950 --> 02:43:24,640
go through about a hundred of these

3839
02:43:29,269 --> 02:43:26,960
things each okay now what's up what's

3840
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:29,279
tedious work yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

3841
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:31,840
yeah okay well uh we all want to know

3842
02:43:37,190 --> 02:43:34,080
what that's the bibliography to this

3843
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:37,200
thing go ahead what's what's the vibe

3844
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:39,520
what what do you what

3845
02:43:44,710 --> 02:43:41,760
you're seeing certain locations and

3846
02:43:46,230 --> 02:43:44,720
you're seeing certain times what what

3847
02:43:47,830 --> 02:43:46,240
what's what's the feeling what do you

3848
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:47,840
what are you seeing okay

3849
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:50,640
i've broken a few out and people say

3850
02:43:55,110 --> 02:43:52,479
well what shape the dig have

3851
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:55,120
okay remember 20 people see an accident

3852
02:43:59,110 --> 02:43:57,040
any cop will tell you you get 20

3853
02:44:02,230 --> 02:43:59,120
different stories yep

3854
02:44:03,830 --> 02:44:02,240
but what we were seeing was and remember

3855
02:44:05,510 --> 02:44:03,840
i've broken this down this is not down

3856
02:44:07,910 --> 02:44:05,520
to the county level this is down to the

3857
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:07,920
zip code level so it's pretty localized

3858
02:44:11,750 --> 02:44:08,800
okay

3859
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:11,760
and so what we what we've seen is in

3860
02:44:18,150 --> 02:44:14,800
some cases the spike was over

3861
02:44:20,070 --> 02:44:18,160
happened over several zip codes that day

3862
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:20,080
in a couple of cases there was a mass

3863
02:44:24,790 --> 02:44:22,720
area sighting okay in some places it was

3864
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:24,800
just one zip code had this funny

3865
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:27,840
phenomena go down

3866
02:44:33,910 --> 02:44:30,319
what we did we broke out some of them

3867
02:44:36,230 --> 02:44:33,920
and i saw a lot of consistency in okay

3868
02:44:38,389 --> 02:44:36,240
they didn't say it was all saucer shapes

3869
02:44:41,510 --> 02:44:38,399
but maybe they said it was a circle of

3870
02:44:44,389 --> 02:44:41,520
lights oh it was a sphere oh it was a

3871
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:44,399
saucer okay what's a saucer it's a

3872
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:46,080
sphere on the side you know that kind of

3873
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:48,000
thing so you started seeing some

3874
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:49,600
consistency

3875
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:51,600
in some of the reports

3876
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:53,520
okay and that i thought that was pretty

3877
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:54,800
eye-opening

3878
02:44:58,870 --> 02:44:56,800
the other thing we were looking at and

3879
02:45:01,750 --> 02:44:58,880
that's what the interns are doing

3880
02:45:03,510 --> 02:45:01,760
is we wanted to go back and see if any

3881
02:45:04,870 --> 02:45:03,520
of these things made

3882
02:45:07,590 --> 02:45:04,880
the news

3883
02:45:10,389 --> 02:45:07,600
i'll give an example the one in indiana

3884
02:45:12,790 --> 02:45:10,399
it got local news but never bubbled up

3885
02:45:15,429 --> 02:45:12,800
to the wires

3886
02:45:17,429 --> 02:45:15,439
or the wire or the bigger newspaper did

3887
02:45:19,030 --> 02:45:17,439
not report them and this is one of the

3888
02:45:22,469 --> 02:45:19,040
points i'm making out to people that

3889
02:45:29,030 --> 02:45:25,910
one-day flap events that hell even mufon

3890
02:45:30,389 --> 02:45:29,040
doesn't know about sure sure sure yeah

3891
02:45:32,469 --> 02:45:30,399
there's no question

3892
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:32,479
i'm using two databases and maybe they

3893
02:45:35,830 --> 02:45:34,479
didn't have any of that reported in

3894
02:45:37,750 --> 02:45:35,840
their database

3895
02:45:40,309 --> 02:45:37,760
now um

3896
02:45:41,510 --> 02:45:40,319
what uh geographically uh what are you

3897
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,520
seeing

3898
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:43,680
now that's the goofy thing states that i

3899
02:45:47,910 --> 02:45:45,760
did not expect to see this kind of stuff

3900
02:45:50,950 --> 02:45:47,920
in okay california yeah okay there were

3901
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:50,960
200 okay there's what i call days and

3902
02:45:54,630 --> 02:45:52,720
there's events

3903
02:45:58,389 --> 02:45:54,640
the events sometimes you had the same

3904
02:46:02,469 --> 02:45:58,399
day and you had multiple events okay so

3905
02:46:04,150 --> 02:46:02,479
california had 229 of these of the 700

3906
02:46:07,030 --> 02:46:04,160
events okay

3907
02:46:09,830 --> 02:46:07,040
arizona was number two was ranked uh was

3908
02:46:12,389 --> 02:46:09,840
the next one and they had 49.

3909
02:46:13,670 --> 02:46:12,399
state hit 46. and this is over 20 years

3910
02:46:21,590 --> 02:46:13,680
now

3911
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:24,469
of the total total days that these

3912
02:46:29,750 --> 02:46:27,359
sightings are occurring

3913
02:46:33,990 --> 02:46:29,760
illinois

3914
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:34,000
and they had 37.

3915
02:46:38,070 --> 02:46:35,840
now here's the goofy one remember i told

3916
02:46:40,389 --> 02:46:38,080
you ufos seem to hang around places with

3917
02:46:41,670 --> 02:46:40,399
like uh really goofy fault lines and

3918
02:46:42,550 --> 02:46:41,680
things like this

3919
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:42,560
um

3920
02:46:52,469 --> 02:46:48,160
total sightings but they are they rank

3921
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:52,479
number five for spike events

3922
02:46:55,269 --> 02:46:53,600
really

3923
02:46:57,429 --> 02:46:55,279
yeah who knew

3924
02:47:00,070 --> 02:46:57,439
that blew my socks off it really did

3925
02:47:02,309 --> 02:47:00,080
yeah yeah that's crazy what part of uh

3926
02:47:04,070 --> 02:47:02,319
uh north carolina i don't know that yet

3927
02:47:05,910 --> 02:47:04,080
okay i don't know that yet but what i've

3928
02:47:07,990 --> 02:47:05,920
been tracking is every day they report

3929
02:47:09,670 --> 02:47:08,000
these uh these uh earthquakes down there

3930
02:47:11,510 --> 02:47:09,680
right now i've been logging what

3931
02:47:13,269 --> 02:47:11,520
counties they're in and that type of

3932
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:13,279
thing and i'm trying to correlate it to

3933
02:47:17,110 --> 02:47:15,279
counties and things like this it seems

3934
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:17,120
to be through the central part of the

3935
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:18,479
state

3936
02:47:22,389 --> 02:47:21,040
uh brown mountain lights area

3937
02:47:24,710 --> 02:47:22,399
i'm wondering

3938
02:47:26,469 --> 02:47:24,720
maybe i don't know it's going through

3939
02:47:27,750 --> 02:47:26,479
the main the the

3940
02:47:29,349 --> 02:47:27,760
it's going through the center of the

3941
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:29,359
state for the most part

3942
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:32,080
okay so south carolina florida which is

3943
02:47:36,150 --> 02:47:34,240
the number two state only had 35 of

3944
02:47:39,110 --> 02:47:36,160
these things texas the number three

3945
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:39,120
state only had 25 of these things uh

3946
02:47:45,429 --> 02:47:41,920
missouri is the 14th state and they had

3947
02:47:48,230 --> 02:47:45,439
24. and it goes it goes down to the 20s

3948
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:48,240
new york state colorado ohio

3949
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:50,560
pennsylvania now we're in the teens

3950
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:52,800
pennsylvania uh

3951
02:47:58,790 --> 02:47:56,479
oregon michigan nevada

3952
02:48:01,030 --> 02:47:58,800
north carolina new mexico and then

3953
02:48:03,990 --> 02:48:01,040
bricks into single numbers but the

3954
02:48:06,870 --> 02:48:04,000
tilling thing was

3955
02:48:08,710 --> 02:48:06,880
one more page here in my summary

3956
02:48:11,030 --> 02:48:08,720
and remember don't hold me to these

3957
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:11,040
numbers folks because

3958
02:48:17,590 --> 02:48:13,359
as we refine the data

3959
02:48:21,030 --> 02:48:17,600
it tightens up okay um okay but there

3960
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:21,040
were one two three four five six seven

3961
02:48:24,550 --> 02:48:22,160
eight

3962
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:24,560
state municipalities they had

3963
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:26,399
none of these

3964
02:48:31,110 --> 02:48:27,920
nothing above

3965
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:31,120
no one day with more than three okay and

3966
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:33,760
it was mississippi north dakota

3967
02:48:41,030 --> 02:48:37,279
nebraska south dakota west virginia

3968
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:41,040
wyoming and dc of course

3969
02:48:46,150 --> 02:48:43,279
what do what do you make of that

3970
02:48:48,630 --> 02:48:46,160
i mean i i i hear that and i go that's

3971
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:48,640
that doesn't make any sense well dc

3972
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:50,640
material states they have none yeah

3973
02:48:54,790 --> 02:48:53,200
north carolina north dakota and and

3974
02:48:57,670 --> 02:48:54,800
things where

3975
02:48:58,950 --> 02:48:57,680
if if i'm et and i want to go check some

3976
02:49:01,910 --> 02:48:58,960
stuff out

3977
02:49:04,070 --> 02:49:01,920
i would go to the remote areas

3978
02:49:05,990 --> 02:49:04,080
right i wouldn't want necessarily want

3979
02:49:08,230 --> 02:49:06,000
to be seen would i you want to be

3980
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:08,240
stealth about it

3981
02:49:13,510 --> 02:49:10,080
well they have one they do have lower

3982
02:49:15,269 --> 02:49:13,520
population but they also have um

3983
02:49:17,670 --> 02:49:15,279
it's rural

3984
02:49:21,190 --> 02:49:17,680
very minimal broadband accepted major

3985
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:21,200
metropolitan and suburban areas

3986
02:49:25,030 --> 02:49:23,600
the biggest county for sightings in

3987
02:49:27,349 --> 02:49:25,040
south dakota

3988
02:49:31,150 --> 02:49:27,359
is minnie haha county which just happens

3989
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:32,469
[Music]

3990
02:49:37,670 --> 02:49:35,120
okay um what about that have you

3991
02:49:41,590 --> 02:49:37,680
compiled data on

3992
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:41,600
on the the native uh tribe uh which you

3993
02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:44,880
know very spiritual areas yeah i've got

3994
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:47,760
uh i've got a friend of mine um uh who's

3995
02:49:52,630 --> 02:49:49,920
trying to get me a

3996
02:49:53,750 --> 02:49:52,640
uh a zip code map of some sort for like

3997
02:49:56,630 --> 02:49:53,760
the uh

3998
02:49:58,630 --> 02:49:56,640
there's 600 tribes out of now it's about

3999
02:50:01,190 --> 02:49:58,640
450 tribes

4000
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:01,200
that are officially with the ba and the

4001
02:50:05,110 --> 02:50:03,439
indian bureau of indian affairs

4002
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:05,120
this friend of mine is trying to get me

4003
02:50:10,389 --> 02:50:08,080
zip code range for those reservations

4004
02:50:12,550 --> 02:50:10,399
we'd like to crank it against that

4005
02:50:14,230 --> 02:50:12,560
um somebody else now people are always

4006
02:50:15,830 --> 02:50:14,240
happy did you try it against this have

4007
02:50:18,309 --> 02:50:15,840
you tried it against that and i don't

4008
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:18,319
always have the data to to compare it to

4009
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:20,399
but when i got last week which i do have

4010
02:50:24,070 --> 02:50:21,920
the data for somebody asked me to

4011
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:24,080
compare to the phases of the moon and

4012
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:26,240
that data was rather easy to help come

4013
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:27,040
by

4014
02:50:30,469 --> 02:50:28,000
and

4015
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:30,479
so i actually sat down the other day it

4016
02:50:34,950 --> 02:50:32,399
was a rainy day and i'm still waiting

4017
02:50:36,469 --> 02:50:34,960
for linda to finish proofing the book so

4018
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:36,479
i sat there and

4019
02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:39,760
and i ran through the uh

4020
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:41,120
i

4021
02:50:47,750 --> 02:50:44,160
grabbed the moon phases from 2001

4022
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:47,760
through 2020 and i'm slowly inserting

4023
02:50:50,630 --> 02:50:48,560
them

4024
02:50:53,269 --> 02:50:50,640
into the database and i'll be able to

4025
02:50:55,269 --> 02:50:53,279
run reports against those those moon

4026
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:55,279
phases and sightings

4027
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:57,200
now what about

4028
02:51:01,510 --> 02:50:59,760
our friends to the north

4029
02:51:03,510 --> 02:51:01,520
canada

4030
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:03,520
okay you have to talk to risk

4031
02:51:08,550 --> 02:51:06,479
russinkowski for that yeah yeah exactly

4032
02:51:11,349 --> 02:51:08,560
i only do the u.s in fact i've had tons

4033
02:51:13,670 --> 02:51:11,359
of requests for people in europe and the

4034
02:51:15,510 --> 02:51:13,680
problem with europe is there's no one

4035
02:51:17,830 --> 02:51:15,520
central data you would think of the eu

4036
02:51:21,750 --> 02:51:17,840
the people would do that but no it's all

4037
02:51:23,750 --> 02:51:21,760
by different countries uh so and uh the

4038
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:23,760
cooperation has been terrible to try and

4039
02:51:29,190 --> 02:51:26,880
get them to share data now uh the the

4040
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:29,200
million-dollar question i hope you can

4041
02:51:31,910 --> 02:51:30,640
answer this

4042
02:51:33,990 --> 02:51:31,920
what

4043
02:51:34,870 --> 02:51:34,000
okay there's three they're all the same

4044
02:51:35,990 --> 02:51:34,880
though

4045
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,000
um

4046
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:38,080
is there

4047
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:41,600
a city a location in the united states

4048
02:51:45,510 --> 02:51:44,560
that has a sighting every single day

4049
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:45,520
no

4050
02:51:48,550 --> 02:51:46,960
that's the myth

4051
02:51:49,750 --> 02:51:48,560
right

4052
02:51:52,710 --> 02:51:49,760
that's the myth

4053
02:51:54,469 --> 02:51:52,720
even even i showed you phoenix

4054
02:51:56,790 --> 02:51:54,479
it's only about five

4055
02:51:59,510 --> 02:51:56,800
downtown phoenix eight five zero zero

4056
02:52:01,269 --> 02:51:59,520
one they only average about five a month

4057
02:52:02,070 --> 02:52:01,279
five or six a month

4058
02:52:02,950 --> 02:52:02,080
and

4059
02:52:03,830 --> 02:52:02,960
uh

4060
02:52:08,950 --> 02:52:03,840
the

4061
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:08,960
so if we take la county out and we take

4062
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:10,160
out nine

4063
02:52:16,150 --> 02:52:12,080
zero zero one

4064
02:52:17,269 --> 02:52:16,160
out

4065
02:52:19,349 --> 02:52:17,279
um

4066
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:19,359
what is the

4067
02:52:22,790 --> 02:52:21,120
number one

4068
02:52:25,830 --> 02:52:22,800
location

4069
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:25,840
with sightings if we take out take out

4070
02:52:31,990 --> 02:52:29,200
la uh let's take out phoenix

4071
02:52:33,670 --> 02:52:32,000
is there something that stands out

4072
02:52:35,750 --> 02:52:33,680
vegas

4073
02:52:37,030 --> 02:52:35,760
yeah that would make sense yeah new york

4074
02:52:39,510 --> 02:52:37,040
city

4075
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:39,520
that doesn't make any sense to me

4076
02:52:45,670 --> 02:52:42,640
hudson valley right no no no we're

4077
02:52:47,590 --> 02:52:45,680
talking this is new york county yeah it

4078
02:52:49,590 --> 02:52:47,600
that doesn't make any sense are you

4079
02:52:52,150 --> 02:52:49,600
telling me queens

4080
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:52,160
right are you telling me brooklyn the

4081
02:52:55,670 --> 02:52:54,720
bronx no no no no those are different

4082
02:52:57,590 --> 02:52:55,680
counties

4083
02:53:00,550 --> 02:52:57,600
are they really well they the five

4084
02:53:03,269 --> 02:53:00,560
county borough counties became new york

4085
02:53:04,950 --> 02:53:03,279
city but they're five separate counties

4086
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:04,960
and for a long time i didn't count new

4087
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:06,640
york city as the number one because it

4088
02:53:20,230 --> 02:53:16,790
me just saying that is going to uh

4089
02:53:21,910 --> 02:53:20,240
generate email um now long island i

4090
02:53:23,670 --> 02:53:21,920
would get

4091
02:53:25,910 --> 02:53:23,680
okay suffolk county long island is

4092
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:25,920
ground zero in new york state yeah it

4093
02:53:30,070 --> 02:53:28,399
would have to be it would have to be and

4094
02:53:32,070 --> 02:53:30,080
and if in

4095
02:53:34,870 --> 02:53:32,080
nassau county the other end of it closer

4096
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:34,880
to new york that uh ended up being like

4097
02:53:40,070 --> 02:53:37,520
the the fourth most popular county in

4098
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:40,080
new york state for that a lot of people

4099
02:53:44,309 --> 02:53:41,600
when i first did the book they all

4100
02:53:46,309 --> 02:53:44,319
thought it'd be the hudson valley and uh

4101
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,319
it wasn't as much as you might think

4102
02:53:50,230 --> 02:53:47,920
maybe they had a lot of savings back in

4103
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:50,240
the 70s but

4104
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:53,760
it is not it is busy place but it is not

4105
02:53:57,910 --> 02:53:56,000
ground zero people used to think the

4106
02:54:00,550 --> 02:53:57,920
lake erie area they used to call the

4107
02:54:02,230 --> 02:54:00,560
lake erie effect okay well when we

4108
02:54:04,389 --> 02:54:02,240
generated our first book what blew

4109
02:54:06,150 --> 02:54:04,399
everybody's socks off was

4110
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:06,160
there's a lake ontario effect and it's

4111
02:54:11,830 --> 02:54:08,960
centered mostly in in monroe and yates

4112
02:54:14,469 --> 02:54:11,840
county right there on lake ontario now

4113
02:54:16,550 --> 02:54:14,479
here you're now in cleveland what's the

4114
02:54:19,670 --> 02:54:16,560
lake that you're next to

4115
02:54:21,750 --> 02:54:19,680
lake erie lake erie right

4116
02:54:23,670 --> 02:54:21,760
that's a huge hot spot have you seen

4117
02:54:25,030 --> 02:54:23,680
anything over over the lake since you

4118
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:25,040
moved there

4119
02:54:30,870 --> 02:54:28,240
no i have not really now see that's the

4120
02:54:33,990 --> 02:54:30,880
opposite of what i would think now okay

4121
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:34,000
next question roswell uh just celebrated

4122
02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:37,920
their 75th anniversary uh past weekend

4123
02:54:43,429 --> 02:54:40,720
uh where where's roswell in the rankings

4124
02:54:45,750 --> 02:54:43,439
um pretty low uh they they had a crash

4125
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:45,760
here 70 years ago but

4126
02:54:50,309 --> 02:54:48,800
i heard about that yeah but no actually

4127
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:50,319
everybody tells me oh yeah it's a hot

4128
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:52,880
spot for you of course no no no no no no

4129
02:54:57,429 --> 02:54:55,760
really and see and i'll tell you why

4130
02:55:01,590 --> 02:54:57,439
um that's a tough one

4131
02:55:07,030 --> 02:55:03,830
all reportedly and i i'm assuming have

4132
02:55:11,670 --> 02:55:10,309
uh no um oh yeah okay kobe's talking to

4133
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:11,680
me about coming down here and talking

4134
02:55:15,429 --> 02:55:13,680
next year you've got to go you've got to

4135
02:55:16,710 --> 02:55:15,439
go and this is what's crazy about

4136
02:55:18,950 --> 02:55:16,720
roswell

4137
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:18,960
they love their aliens

4138
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:22,000
and you drive through the city and i

4139
02:55:25,750 --> 02:55:24,080
don't care what if it's a car dealership

4140
02:55:27,990 --> 02:55:25,760
if it's a 7-eleven

4141
02:55:30,469 --> 02:55:28,000
if it's uh the hilton hotel i don't care

4142
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:30,479
where you go it's aliens it's et's

4143
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:32,800
everywhere mcdonald whatever it's

4144
02:55:35,590 --> 02:55:34,720
notice most of them and most of them are

4145
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:35,600
gray

4146
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:40,319
and green they they like walking in

4147
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:41,920
there with a dozen repellents they're

4148
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:43,920
gonna they're gonna lose their mind now

4149
02:55:48,710 --> 02:55:46,319
see your wood you see that's the wu side

4150
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:48,720
of you and here and here's the thing

4151
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:49,600
though

4152
02:55:56,230 --> 02:55:52,960
so with with the entire cities and i'm

4153
02:55:57,510 --> 02:55:56,240
not being facetious here their economy

4154
02:55:59,750 --> 02:55:57,520
is driven

4155
02:56:01,670 --> 02:55:59,760
by ufos right so you would think that

4156
02:56:03,990 --> 02:56:01,680
people are looking in the skies there

4157
02:56:05,910 --> 02:56:04,000
that the city of roswell is checking out

4158
02:56:08,870 --> 02:56:05,920
things and reporting it but they're the

4159
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:08,880
pine bush convention down in down in the

4160
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:10,800
uh

4161
02:56:14,950 --> 02:56:13,279
hudson valley yeah that's the big one i

4162
02:56:18,469 --> 02:56:14,960
spoke there this year as first first

4163
02:56:20,150 --> 02:56:18,479
speakers there this year um uh i love

4164
02:56:22,630 --> 02:56:20,160
going to pine bush they have a beautiful

4165
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,640
festival and everything like this but uh

4166
02:56:27,110 --> 02:56:24,720
i added up those um

4167
02:56:30,309 --> 02:56:27,120
just those counties and there's a lot of

4168
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:30,319
traffic there but it does not dominate

4169
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:33,120
the rest of the state's numbers

4170
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:35,359
and another thing uh

4171
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:37,840
putting sedona aside

4172
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:39,120
but uh

4173
02:56:42,469 --> 02:56:41,600
uh palm springs

4174
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:42,479
and

4175
02:56:49,830 --> 02:56:46,160
uh joshua tree 29 palms that area

4176
02:56:52,389 --> 02:56:49,840
yeah it's crazy stuff that i have never

4177
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:52,399
not had an evening there where i haven't

4178
02:56:55,510 --> 02:56:53,359
seen

4179
02:56:57,269 --> 02:56:55,520
something mind-blowing and i can't it

4180
02:56:59,110 --> 02:56:57,279
shows up that way in the numbers too

4181
02:57:01,830 --> 02:56:59,120
yeah yeah it

4182
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:01,840
doesn't make any sense and also again

4183
02:57:05,750 --> 02:57:04,960
lancaster palmdale rhyme at i'm telling

4184
02:57:09,349 --> 02:57:05,760
you

4185
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:09,359
um every night uh no no i i i take that

4186
02:57:12,870 --> 02:57:11,680
back and we're almost out of time i want

4187
02:57:14,070 --> 02:57:12,880
to say this

4188
02:57:16,950 --> 02:57:14,080
um

4189
02:57:17,990 --> 02:57:16,960
i it's not every night but three

4190
02:57:21,190 --> 02:57:18,000
nights

4191
02:57:25,269 --> 02:57:21,200
over about a three week period

4192
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:25,279
i would walk outside and look up

4193
02:57:30,550 --> 02:57:27,920
and at this one spot next to this one

4194
02:57:34,070 --> 02:57:30,560
star this thing would light up and move

4195
02:57:35,269 --> 02:57:34,080
it happened to me three times it's so

4196
02:57:37,910 --> 02:57:35,279
to me

4197
02:57:39,990 --> 02:57:37,920
i have gone out on my balcony after the

4198
02:57:41,190 --> 02:57:40,000
show uh before i go to bed sit and sit

4199
02:57:42,550 --> 02:57:41,200
in the chair and i'm looking i'm like

4200
02:57:44,630 --> 02:57:42,560
okay let's go

4201
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:44,640
you know and i'm making the conscious

4202
02:57:50,150 --> 02:57:47,279
connection my brother light up for me it

4203
02:57:53,349 --> 02:57:50,160
has but three three times over a three

4204
02:57:54,070 --> 02:57:53,359
week period same spot in the sky lights

4205
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:54,080
up

4206
02:57:58,870 --> 02:57:57,120
and and moves crazy i don't know what it

4207
02:58:01,030 --> 02:57:58,880
is it could be a satellite lighting up

4208
02:58:02,950 --> 02:58:01,040
cheryl i don't know

4209
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:02,960
can i pitch one book

4210
02:58:06,790 --> 02:58:04,960
you can do whatever you just want

4211
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:06,800
there's one okay

4212
02:58:10,950 --> 02:58:09,120
we mentioned the woo side and uh like i

4213
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:10,960
said i walk with one foot in main street

4214
02:58:15,190 --> 02:58:13,359
one foot in the twilight zone okay for

4215
02:58:17,670 --> 02:58:15,200
those of you who are interested in the

4216
02:58:20,389 --> 02:58:17,680
metaphysical side of ufos you might want

4217
02:58:22,309 --> 02:58:20,399
to read my book mystical musings of a

4218
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:22,319
rogue witch okay it's available on

4219
02:58:26,710 --> 02:58:24,000
amazon if you go to book search on

4220
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:26,720
amazon and go cheryl costa which you'll

4221
02:58:33,030 --> 02:58:29,439
get it it's cheap it's affordable and i

4222
02:58:34,150 --> 02:58:33,040
do besides talking about consciousness

4223
02:58:37,670 --> 02:58:34,160
magic

4224
02:58:40,150 --> 02:58:37,680
uh manifestation all that i also do have

4225
02:58:43,110 --> 02:58:40,160
a chapter in there of why can't i touch

4226
02:58:46,309 --> 02:58:43,120
an alien with my mind on jetta reticulae

4227
02:58:48,230 --> 02:58:46,319
and i write a complete chapter on that

4228
02:58:50,790 --> 02:58:48,240
i'm going to do you one better

4229
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:50,800
i already posted the link for it in the

4230
02:58:54,870 --> 02:58:52,720
show

4231
02:58:57,670 --> 02:58:54,880
all you got to do everybody just click

4232
02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:57,680
on that amazon link that i've got right

4233
02:59:02,710 --> 02:59:00,640
down there next to cheryl's name and uh

4234
02:59:05,670 --> 02:59:02,720
you can go and and and pick up that book

4235
02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:05,680
we gotta you know can we just set can we

4236
02:59:10,870 --> 02:59:08,160
make this like a date can we do date

4237
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,880
night uh once a month

4238
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:12,240
here's the calendar tell me what you

4239
02:59:17,110 --> 02:59:14,080
want

4240
02:59:19,590 --> 02:59:17,120
cheryl you are the absolute very best

4241
02:59:21,349 --> 02:59:19,600
and the amount of work uh that you and

4242
02:59:23,670 --> 02:59:21,359
linda pour into this

4243
02:59:26,710 --> 02:59:23,680
um it cannot be measured and this

4244
02:59:29,190 --> 02:59:26,720
community thanks you uh you know she is

4245
02:59:31,510 --> 02:59:29,200
she is she is the fundamental scientific

4246
02:59:34,150 --> 02:59:31,520
brain she keeps me honest

4247
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:34,160
hey i've been watching her walk um in

4248
02:59:38,230 --> 02:59:36,080
the background and i wanted to pull her

4249
02:59:40,630 --> 02:59:38,240
over i can just tell she's like now you

4250
02:59:41,590 --> 02:59:40,640
guys do your thing you know she's just

4251
02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:41,600
dude

4252
02:59:45,910 --> 02:59:44,720
but uh again thank you so much

4253
02:59:47,030 --> 02:59:45,920
let me know

4254
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,040
and uh

4255
02:59:50,870 --> 02:59:49,040
i'm serious about this okay

4256
02:59:51,670 --> 02:59:50,880
all right

4257
02:59:54,150 --> 02:59:51,680
yes

4258
02:59:55,990 --> 02:59:54,160
cheryl anytime anywhere you're the best

4259
02:59:57,590 --> 02:59:56,000
thank you so much and enjoy the rest of

4260
02:59:59,990 --> 02:59:57,600
your evening thank you for hanging out

4261
03:00:01,670 --> 03:00:00,000
for overtime this was an amazing

4262
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:01,680
fantastic conversation thank you all

4263
03:00:06,630 --> 03:00:04,319
right everybody you're the best

4264
03:00:09,510 --> 03:00:06,640
gerald cheryl costa everybody and again

4265
03:00:11,830 --> 03:00:09,520
the links for amazon are right in the

4266
03:00:13,670 --> 03:00:11,840
video description box below and we've

4267
03:00:15,429 --> 03:00:13,680
got it over on our website and we have

4268
03:00:18,150 --> 03:00:15,439
it in social media

4269
03:00:21,110 --> 03:00:18,160
go and do it i want to thank cheryl what

4270
03:00:21,910 --> 03:00:21,120
a great show tonight it was perfect for

4271
03:00:23,910 --> 03:00:21,920
me

4272
03:00:25,990 --> 03:00:23,920
just an absolute perfect show looking at

4273
03:00:28,710 --> 03:00:26,000
everybody's comments

4274
03:00:29,940 --> 03:00:28,720
uh throughout social media just amazing

4275
03:00:31,429 --> 03:00:29,950
you guys get it

4276
03:00:33,510 --> 03:00:31,439
[Music]

4277
03:00:35,830 --> 03:00:33,520
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4278
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:35,840
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4279
03:00:40,630 --> 03:00:38,720
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4280
03:00:43,990 --> 03:00:40,640
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4281
03:00:46,309 --> 03:00:44,000
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4282
03:00:47,830 --> 03:00:46,319
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4283
03:00:49,990 --> 03:00:47,840
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4284
03:00:52,469 --> 03:00:50,000
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4285
03:00:54,710 --> 03:00:52,479
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4286
03:00:56,710 --> 03:00:54,720
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4287
03:00:58,550 --> 03:00:56,720
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4288
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:58,560
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4289
03:01:02,469 --> 03:01:00,240
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4290
03:01:05,429 --> 03:01:02,479
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4291
03:01:09,429 --> 03:01:05,439
jimmy church tomorrow night is fader

4292
03:01:11,429 --> 03:01:09,439
night it is open lines all night long

4293
03:01:15,269 --> 03:01:11,439
it's your call for your conversation

4294
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:15,279
until then i want everybody to be safe

4295
03:01:20,970 --> 03:01:34,230
[Music]

4296
03:01:34,240 --> 03:01:38,520
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